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Index

Bedroom Slide Not working Properly
Dr4Film
Captain seats
Jonbrooks
Ceramic Coatings
Pduggs
2022 BILL D's Monacoers Gathering
David Pratt
Ceramic Coatings
David Pratt
Ceramic Coatings
Ray Davis
Ceramic Coatings
David Pratt
vinyl graphics protectant
tcbrow
Dash A/C
vanwill52
Slide lock cable broken
jacwjames
Ceramic Coatings
throgmartin
Steering issue
stillrunning_60@hotmail.com
Steering issue
jacwjames
Steering issue
stillrunning_60@hotmail.com
Steering issue
jacwjames
Steering issue
stillrunning_60@hotmail.com
Steering issue
jacwjames
Steering issue
vanwill52

New Posts

Bedroom Slide Not working Properly
Dr4Film

I would try to find out why the slide is moving up and down in that area as it should not do that at all. Most slides except for the drop down floor level slides in the salon area move straight in and out not up and down too.


Captain seats
Jonbrooks

Yeah I have a roll of commercial silk film which is basically a light weight plastic. It was obvious that Villa used a lot of it it to assemble the chairs.  


Ceramic Coatings
Pduggs

Very nice. 

Does anyone know how to determine if your coach has had ceramic coatings applied?  I’ve owned my coach three years and I bought it from the original owner. He didn’t tell me it was coated, but my coach still shines nice when clean. 

How long does a ceramic coating last? 
 

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2022 BILL D's Monacoers Gathering
David Pratt

All new information will be posted here to all members and you will also be notified by the daily Newsletter


Ceramic Coatings
David Pratt

How long the Ceramic Coating lasts depends on whether the coach is outside in the environment or inside a covered storage when not in use and also the care of the coach. It also depends on the process used to apply the Ceramic Coating and who Applied it. You should quiz the original owner to find out as there is no way to tell for sure. Three years ago Ceramic Coatings were just starting to catch on. Maybe someone who is doing the service might be able to tell you.

Dazzling Details performed the service on our ih-45 and the coating is warranted for five years. There is a maintenance process to the coating that is done at that time to rejuvenate the coating.


Ceramic Coatings
Ray Davis

David,   The detailing on your coach is spectacular,  I have never seen anything like it.   How can you bring yourself to drive and get it dirty?

Paul,  ( Pduggs ) your coach looks fantastic too.   Wish I had yours and you had David's.   😲


Ceramic Coatings
David Pratt

That is exactly what Sandy said after it was all done.

My answer to that is that is what a hose, soap and water is for:classic_tongue:


Broken DS lower fixed window need to replace
Tom Cherry
8 hours ago, Hypoxia said:

Challenger Door bought part of Duncan Systems after the Atwood sale.  Any good glass place can order a piece of tempered glass, Auto Glass Boss ordered a L shaped driver side window for me.  It was a dual pane outer piece which they installed.  It did take some time to arrive.

Yes,

You are correct.  It is a matter of personal taste and choice. Yes, any good reputable glass company can order a piece of tempered glass.  In my case, the glass has slightly rounded corners and an angled gut. If this was a piece of glass that was rectangular, then a glass company can order a piece to fit. I had that done on a boat windshield.

But, IF the glass has a unique shape such as radiused corners and angled cuts, then the glass company will have to provide a drawing for the glass and it will be custom cut and tempered.

From what I have read and also what my local guy (a glass replacement company) tells me, it is easier to actually cut and fit the glass to the frame. Then, you send (ship) that glass to a distributor (there are 4 in NC) that can "Temper" it. Otherwise, you do a tracing on carboard or butcher paper and have them cut it and then temper it and ship to you. If you live in a large city, that is easy. There is no tempering facility in Raleigh, NC, but there is one in Charlotte...

The other issue is the tint. The glass company will have to match (or film afterwards) the Atwood % darkness or tint.

The install, once the window is pulled is simple. Originally, there was some folk lore about an inert gas between the two panes. That was shot down when I talked to the lady that actually got Duncan systems back into the production of replacement glass. They just clean and then seal. 

I will tell you that my entire window was a PITA. It was 3 panes. One large vertical (full length) pane. One fixed Panel on the other side at the top and a sliding or a lift up pane below it. It took two techs over 3 hours to finally get the window back together as the frame will be warped. NOW, if there was a custom cut....maybe not.

SO....dealer's choice and personal preference.

Tint may vary...and the folks that put in safety laminated glass say that is not an issue now...

It is just a matter of choice and how close you want it to match and such.

It is NOT rocket science...but it will require some skill. 

My advice would be to get a quote from Duncan on new glass....shipped to a good glass company....and compare the costs of the glass company fitting and getting the new or both panes tempered. Odds are....the interior one is OK...

IF that is the case, then one could use the INTERIOR pane on the outside and use tempered, not tinted on the inside (new) and film if needed...

All sorts of options...


Broken DS lower fixed window need to replace
Steve Lange

Thank You for your help.

I have been in contact with Duncan. I first went to my local Glass shop that does my windshields in my cars and they told me the same info. They will not touch RV glass because of the trouble and time. I was hoping they could just remove the outer glass until I get it fixed, but they wouldn't. I now have covered with the clear tape and managed to go on our first trip.


Broken DS lower fixed window need to replace
Scotty Hutto

Hello everyone...

I moved this thread to Body, Awning, Slides, etc.  I was having to manually approve each post in the Service section, which slows down the conversation. I did leave a link there redirecting folks here. 😁

Sorry if that causes any inconvenience. 


Battery Control Center / BIRD Intellitec
Bob125

Thanks Dave, I will call you.  Before I do, I am tracking and working on some different load combinations.  For instance, yesterday, the green light stayed on longer than the first observation.  I'll get some more history before I call you.  It's definitely a situation where I need more education of how this system works.  Thanks, Bob...


vinyl graphics protectant
tcbrow

Thanks for the input, guys. I was wondering about those waterless cleaners. I was also looking at the 303 Protectant but will now reconsider.

 

Tcbro  2001 Diplomat


Broken DS lower fixed window need to replace
Tom Cherry
1 hour ago, Steve Lange said:

Thank You for your help.

I have been in contact with Duncan. I first went to my local Glass shop that does my windshields in my cars and they told me the same info. They will not touch RV glass because of the trouble and time. I was hoping they could just remove the outer glass until I get it fixed, but they wouldn't. I now have covered with the clear tape and managed to go on our first trip.

WISE MOVE. If you plan to do a LOT of travel, I would cut a piece of Plexiglass (or have it done) and the use clear or Gorilla tape and put it over the OUTSIDE. My fear was a rock or something taking out the INSIDE glass. A LOT of folks advised me to do that, but they MAY not have ever seen a piece of Tempered Glass craze or "explode".

By laminating the outer glass, it would NOT fail and the inner was sealed.

Plexiglass is CHEAP....and should have been easy....if I was AT HOME. Since I had to traverse almost 3,000 miles and was on a VERY Tight schedule, I opted to do what I did.

With Plexiglass, which is a COMMON replacement for Tempered (slightly curved) glass in boat windshields, you have protection.

Good Luck...


Dash A/C
vanwill52

A wet/dry vac with cobbled-up adapter can sometimes clear a clog.  Worked for me on the AC roof drains.


Broken DS lower fixed window need to replace
Gary M
15 hours ago, Tom Cherry said:

I had the same issue. There are TWO ways....actually THREE...

First, call Northwest RV and HOPE they have one in their "we bought all the left over Monaco Parts"

Next, you can have it replaced with Laminated Safety Glass. There are several companies that do that. The window has to be removed and carefully measured and then the glass if cut to fit and reinstalled. The tinting might be different...but it works.

The final is to have a replacement made from the original company. Atwood was the supplier, They have ALL the prints on the windows. Mine was gone on the outside when we were in WA in the summer of 2018. I got hold of the factory and then ordered a replacement. It took about 4 weeks to make. The factory has a custorm shop in Elkhart and they stripped down the window and put in the new glass.

The glass is Tempered....that is why it Shattered. FORTUNATELY, mine had CRAZED, but not disassembled or fell out. I used several thicknesses of heavy (Gorilla) clear tape and laminated the outer glass. I reinforced it with Duct Tape. I drove almost 3,000 miles from WA to IN. Along the way, I had to put on two aluminum staves or gars as the glass was vibrating. It looked UGLY, but it sure beat trying to custom fit and cut a piece of 1/4" plywood. I was having some work done at a shop in ELkhart. They pulled the window for me. I took it over to the Atwood center and then brought it back and they reinstalled it.

There are SOIME glass shops that can custom cut glass for the window. Then they have to send it out for tempering.  You can NOT cut or do anything when the glass has been tempered. 

I did a write up on this...  It is in the posts....

DUNCAN SYSTEMS INC #071
29391 OLD US HWY 33
Elkhart, IN 46516-1427
USA
Fax (574) 294-7289
Phone (800) 551-9149

Duncan is part of Lippert. They bought the OLD Atwood Window Company. They also have all the intellectual property....as in the PRINTS and the years and the models. They can look up the model and they will send you a print. BEAR IN MIND....this is for the outer perimeter of the window. I did a BUNCH of crosschecking measurements and then verified that it was the correct one.

I dealt with a Jeanne K....they may have changed a lot....but start researching Duncan

https://www.rvglass.com/quote?make=MONACO RV LLC&model=DIPLOMAT

They appear to be operating under RVGLASS.com..  I put in your info....and this is the form to send in. You can also call...

Good Luck...

Duncan was my first phone-call a year ago and was told they couldnt help me as the radius of my window was 2-1/2” and they only have or would make the new 3” radius glass.

Also found 08 Diplomat that was being parted out by Visone but they wouldn’t confirm the radius basically I buy no return. They told me I would need to stop by and check it myself. Im 3000 mi away I said. Their response...Oh Well.

Also tried at same time to purchase two nite stands from sam coach. Same results. Will try again somewhere when we settle down in Punta Gorda, Florida at the end of or trip this year. Till then its all taped up.


Broken DS lower fixed window need to replace
Hypoxia

That big odd piece of glass that looks like a glock is the tinted outer glass that was replaced.  Auto Glass Boss came to my place, made a diagram and ordered it.  It took some time but I had no idea they were so special, working with unique shapes and radiused corners and tint.  Looks good enough for me.

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Slide lock cable broken
jacwjames

So, I finally finished my garage/workshop and have time to start tackling the list of TO DO's on the coach.  So today replaced the awning spring on my large front slide and also took the Dewald slide locks off to inspect and lube.

The rear one didn't have a screw at the top, it was broke off.  I used a short piece of 2X4" and hammer to drive the lock assembly up, came up really easy. 

Took it to the work bench and found the back side had 10 small allen head screws holding the SS cover in place.  There was one screw that would not loosen up using the small allen wrench and ended up taking a side grinder to slot it and used a straight screw drive to get it out, came out easy.  I almost think they used some sort of thread locker and the heat from the grinder released, it looked like there was a reddish film on the end of each screw.  There were 2 SS plates that slide out of the black cover. 

First thing I saw was that there was very little evidence that the lube I was spraying down the top actually did anything.  This may be my fault for not making sure the spay tube was not spraying on the back side of the SS plate and at the top of the slide there was a piece of rubber type weather stripping diverting the lube to one side, and also capturing a lot of dirt, leaves, etc.  Basically none got to the small roller wheels that the cable runs on.  None got to the 3 springs that I could tell.  

After taking the lock covers off I clean all the dirt out and washed the SS cover pieces using some steel wool and soapy water.  I used a vacuum to clean up the other half of the slide lock.

There were ~10 small pieces of heavy felt that were located in places along the cable routing, this may have been to both keep the SS covers spaced from the cable and possibly for noise to prevent the cables from rattling when they slides are in and there isn't much tension on the cable.  I reattached the felt pieces using double sided tape.

I used the CRC lubricant on all the rollers and wear surfaces and springs. 

I used blue thread locker on each of the small screws when I reassembled. 

Putting the slide locks back onto the sides of the slide was a little bit of a challenge but I was using a scaffold so I was able to press the bottom in with my foot while lining up the top and sliding it down.  Took a couple of taps with the hammer and block of wood to get it back in place and put the screw back in the top.  Tested each on as I got done with it.  Can't really tell if they worked easier or not but I now of piece of mine that the locks of been inspected and lubed. 

IMHO it seems that the only good way to lube the slide lock like mine it to remove, disassemble, clean and lube. 

 

 

 


Ceramic Coatings
throgmartin

Dave and I discussed ceramic coating on the phone the other day. Owners should know that the only true ceramic coating is the process Dave had done on his bus.

Do not be fooled by bottles of ceramic coating you can buy and apply yourself. The typical lay person cannot buy true ceramic coatings, only a dealer can. Unless you are going to go through the process Dave had done on his coach then you are better off applying Mcquires Ultimate wax rather then the cheap ceramic coatings being sold on the internet. My son was able to get a hold of the true ceramic coating through a business contact and it took him 2 weeks to apply it to his 45 ft Mountain air. He had to clay bar the entire coach first before applying it. He did the work off and on according to his schedule. He also did his pick up truck and despite being 5 years old it looks brand new after the ceramic coating.

It is a big job which is why these companies charge so much. I could probably get my hands on the high grade ceramic coating but I am not going to spend a few weeks clay barring my coach and applying it. I just apply Mcquires Ultimate twice a year. I can do that in a day. 🙂


Broken DS lower fixed window need to replace
Steve Lange

WOW. Mine is not nearly that complex.

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Steering issue
stillrunning_60@hotmail.com

 Also looking at upgrading my Shepherd steering box to a TRW box. Call Weller Truck Parts this morning and was quoted for TRW box and arm was over 1200 dollars. My first question is can I go to Visone salvage which is only a 45 minutes drive from me and look for a TRW box and arm to fit my 2002 36’ Monaco Windsor or do I have to go thu Weller Truck Parts for their replacement kit. My next question is the TRW steering box I think I need is a TAS65 66003. I would like to know how do I find out for sure the correct TRW steering box I need and which route is the best for me to take. The Weller kit or try and find a box fro salvage.

Thanks in advance and sure do appreciate all the great help I have received fro everyone on this site.

larry E


Steering issue
jacwjames

There should be a name tag on the Shepard, see if you can find and use this to help cross for a TRW.  

I did a quick search of the Visione website and could not find any steering boxes, surprised with the inventory of salvaged coaches they usually have.  I'd give them a call and see if they have any and then make a decision to make a trip. 

From my experience you'll pay close to new from Visione, they know they are a niche market and charge dearly for it.  I needed a section of door hinge but Monaco only had the door side, which I paid ~$80 for enough to do 4 doors (I needed 2).  I bought the other piece, enough to do 2 doors, for $150 which I had to strip and repaint to my color. 


Steering issue
stillrunning_60@hotmail.com

James I see you have the 02 windsor as well. Do you have the TRW steering box. You are right on visione prices. Where would the tag be located. All I can find is some info on side on case. I am including what I can find on my Shepherd.

 

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Steering issue
jacwjames

No, I have the Sheppard and must be one of the lucky ones, my steering is tight (one finger on the steering wheel type tight).

Here is the parts page for my Steering box, M100PLG-32, there is a different part number for rigs made after 11/30/2001, not sure if there were any changes after that.

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Steering issue
stillrunning_60@hotmail.com

Thanks James. Not sure if my 02 was made after that date or not. Will look tomorrow for a tag. My steering is not terrible but does pull to right some and sometimes the rear of coach has an unusual feeling if you have to made a quite left correction on steering.


Steering issue
jacwjames

You can also go by the build number of your coach, mine is 127165.  If you have the data card it is listed on the top, last 6 digits of the unit SN. 

When I first bought my coach the front tires had a bad wear problem.  First thing I did was have new steer tires put on and then had a wheel alignment done, they had to correct the chamber by bending the front axle.  That's the only thing I've had done to my coach's steering. 

I live near Knoxville and contacted Buddy Greg and they recommended a shop.  It must have helped as the front tires have +50K miles and absolutely no wear pattern.


Steering issue
vanwill52
1 hour ago, stillrunning_60@hotmail.com said:

Thanks James. Not sure if my 02 was made after that date or not. Will look tomorrow for a tag. My steering is not terrible but does pull to right some and sometimes the rear of coach has an unusual feeling if you have to made a quite left correction on steering.

Your pix show the sector shaft depth engagement screw of a TRW box.  Refer to the (voluminous) posts on iRV2 about how to adjust lost motion.  IT AIN'T ROCKET SCIENCE, AND ANYONE TELLING YOU THAT YOU NEED AN "EXPERT" TO ADJUST IT HAS PROBABLY NEVER CHANGED A FLAT TIRE.

If you have a TRW gear, the chance that it needs service (other than adjustment for lost motion) are  miniscule.

Rear cross-braces and a front Watts link will further improve your driving experience beyond your expectations.

No need to replace your trailing arm bushings.  Most coaches after 2001 have the latest design of Monaco OEM trailing arm bushing and increasing that stiffness with the ATRO bushing replacement results in only modest improvement.  The three big things to improve your driving experience are 1) adjust your TRW gear or replace you Sheppard with a TRW. 2) Add a front Watts link from www.monacowatts.com  3) Add rear cross-braces from www.monacowatts.com.  Mike Hughes has done far more installations than I did for "proof of concept".  Mike is a wealth of knowledge.  (And a helluva nice guy!)


2002 Dip, first MH to cut our teeth on
JDCrow

Little more done:

Took out old Microwave. New one vents a little different, so had to build 2” base to push it out.

Had a good friend paint the Lower Cabinets. Reinstalling the sink cabinet. No shut offs for the water, so added some. Built a frame for drawer in sink cabinet. And new faucet 

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In case you wanted to see how the micro comes out 

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