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Index

Turobcharger for ISL400
bandmmorris
Alternator failed at 90K miles.
moxy1962
Cooling system capacity
Dr4Film
Cooling system capacity
tmw188
Visors Stopped Working
Rich Cutler
Cooling system capacity
Dr4Film
Inverter
saflyer
Inverter
Dr4Film
AquaHot Back-Up Battery
Nevada Rob
AquaHot Back-Up Battery
Dr4Film
AquaHot Back-Up Battery
Nevada Rob
Cooling system capacity
monacodynasty05
AquaHot Back-Up Battery
Dr4Film
AquaHot Back-Up Battery
Paul A.
Alternator failed at 90K miles.
McHughes
Alternator failed at 90K miles.
moxy1962
Alternator failed at 90K miles.
Ray Davis
Cooling system capacity
tmw188
Cooling system capacity
tmw188
Cooling system capacity
millionroy
Cooling system capacity
Rich Cutler
Changing ISC 350 8.3 Coolant?
tmw188
Changing ISC 350 8.3 Coolant?
vito.a
Temp sensor on new batteries
jacwjames
Raising Bed to access storage
Gary M
Changing ISC 350 8.3 Coolant?
Nevada Rob
Changing ISC 350 8.3 Coolant?
tmw188
Temp sensor on new batteries
tmw188
Temp sensor on new batteries
vito.a
Temp sensor on new batteries
jacwjames
Temp sensor on new batteries
waterskier_1

New Posts

Turobcharger for ISL400
bandmmorris

I still have the unit and would take $2,000 if anyone is interested.


Alternator failed at 90K miles.
moxy1962

I had my 200 amp leave Neville fail due to corrosion at 85000 miles, after much research I decided to replace it with modern Leece Neville 210 amp Duvac alt with ac tach lead, as my coach is Duvac and the new alternator is self exciting but requires signal voltage that it doesn’t receive due to battery isolator I used the Ignition signal lead with inline diode, has function 100 percent for 3 months, only issue is that the alt self excites above my Cummins ISL idle rpm so once starts I literally touch the pedal and alternator engages 

Alternator was still 700 Canadian, but uses modern tech and is considerable smaller unit

Moxy


Cooling system capacity
Dr4Film
11 hours ago, tmw188 said:

Richard wow what a great read, I recommend it to any of us not understanding this stuff. You were right about it answering my questions and concerns. It mentioned it could be used in your genny, is there any reason you don’t? So my take away is I can use the OAT Compleat or the ES Compleat in my wet sleeve motor if I want to change it. It seems a lot less work involved.

Todd, I choose to carry only one type of coolant for topping off, the Green Ethylene Glycol, as that is what I use use in my engine, generator and Aqua-Hot boiler. It makes it simpler and easier instead of having to carry a bunch of different bottles.


I35 North in Kansas City MO Closed but no detours
jacwjames

I was driving I70 West from ST Louis and planning on heading north on I29 out of Kansis City MO.   Ran into some really heavy thunderstorms and rain.  Lots of people just pulling off on the side of the road, including truckers.  I wasn't having a problem driving but the traffic became sketchy and I happened to see a sign for Bass Pro Shop and called and asked if they'd allow me to hold up there due to the weather, they said yes.  Punched it in to my GPS and got there without a problem. 

So Saturday early morning I get up and set up the GPS to head north toward Souix Falls SD on my way to the Badlands.  I noticed that  the GPS says I35, the connector to I29 was closed and didn't provide an alternate route but I figured OK there will be a detour.

There was not, came up to an off ramp with a road closed sign on I35.  The off ramp took you into a residential area, I was following a truck with 2 trailers and I figured OK he knows what he's doing and we slowly start driving through the narrow streets and it became obvious he didn't know what he was doing.   By this time there were other trucks following me.   Also obvious that other trucks had been doing the same thing as tree limbs were laying all over the streets.  Luckily I'm only 12' high so I fared OK when it came to the tree limbs.   Eventually the trucker in front of me came an intersection and just stopped.  I waited for ~5 minutes figuring he's talking to other truckers but never moved.

So I expanded the view on my GPS and decided to take a chance so I went around him and picked a route to get me back on I35, another truck started to follow me.  I got lucky and found a decent path and was back on I35 in about 5 minutes with at least one truck following me. 

Kansis City MO needs to get their crap together and make sure there are signs/detours available in a situation like this.   I know there were probably signs but with the heavy rain I didn't see any and since I stopped overnight and approached from a different direction, but not to have a detour🤬!!!!!

 

Hit some more hellish weather in SD with heavy winds and rain but made it to Wall SD and am parked on the edge of the Badlands watching the sun come up. 


I35 North in Kansas City MO Closed but no detours
John Haggard

A certain element of political leaders are promoting removing the interstate system through major city's. 

It will bring drug dealers and crime organizations back together again .

 


Cooling system capacity
tmw188

Yes you did say that, you could use it in both the genny and your motor, but maybe the Aqua Hot is different. I didn’t know either whether the makeup of the radiator had played into that decision. Many seem to just keep the Green coolant but I didn’t know why.  


Visors Stopped Working
Rich Cutler

I have had a lot of issues with the visor motors, but never both failing at the same time.  I cannot find a replacement tube motor that fits without manipulation of some sort.  I did manage to get them working again by disassembly and reassembly carefully.   Sometimes, it takes a quick down then up a few times to retract them.  I hope you have 12 volts at the visor with the ignition on, at least then you know the problem is then in the tube motor.  Removing the visor is easy as each is held with 4 screws and the wire is easy to access under the visor.   The end cap holding the tube motor is held with two screws on the visor itself.  It then just slides out.  Good luck.

At the last Perry Convention, a fellow conventioneer swapped out his visor/blinds for MCDs and gave me his old visors.   This will keep me going for a few years. 


Generator won't run with engine running
wamcneil
On 6/25/2021 at 10:20 PM, jenronn said:

and  the Xantrex panel goes haywire. 

I had a problem where my xantrex inverter lost its marbles and was shutting down the generator a few seconds after the transfer switch engaged. 
Almost bought a generator ecu board before I figured it out. 
Couple ways to try and rule this out:
Onan troubleshooting guide says turn off the main breaker on the generator. If this solves your problem the issue is something outside the generator. Next, turn the gem main breaker back on and turn off the two breakers feeding the inverter inputs. If this solves your problem it’s probably the inverter. 
cheers

Walter


Cooling system capacity
Dr4Film

Does your Windsor have an Aqua-Hot System?

The Aqua-Hot models differ by year and model number. The earlier models that have the fresh water loop wrapped around the outside of the boiler tank can use either the green Ethylene Glycol mixed with 50% distilled water or the any of the safe GRAS boiler fluids available on the market today. The newer models that have the fresh water loop built inside the boiler tank can ONLY use the PG environmentally safe boiler fluid such as the Century Heat Transfer Boiler Fluid or a less expensive one such as Cryo-Tec-100 available from Lowe's.


Inverter
saflyer
On 6/13/2021 at 5:58 PM, waterskier_1 said:

It seems that certain devices are more sensitive than others.  Any device that uses a "wall wart" to take 120 VAC to some other X VDC (where X = 5, 9, 12, 18, 24, etc.) work fine since any ac is converted to DC before the device sees it.  Over the years, it seems high end coffee makers (Keurig specifically) and electric blankets/throws with digital readout controls seem to be the biggest problems.  The only manufacture doing business in the USA (as of a few years ago) that warranties their refrigerator for operation on MSW inverters is Samsung.  That's why so many are using it even with all the problems (recalls, class-action suits, etc.) they have against them.  That isn't to say that they are the only ones to make a refrigerator that will operate on MSW, but rather that they are the only manufacturer to incur the cost and time testing their refrigerator so they know it will not be affected by MSW.  As you may imagine, using inverters to power residential refrigerators is a very small portion of the potential consumers.  I personally haven't heard of a single refrigerator failure due solely to being operated on MWS.  But I have read many warranties that won't cover their refrigerators operating in a mobile environment.  Look at what the coach manufacturers are installing.  I don't think all new coaches come with PSW inverters, but the ones with residential refrigerators might?

  

Does this mean all Samsung refrigerators? A friend is buying an RF18 and is concerned about using his MSW inverter. Can I tell him not to worry?

Ed


Inverter
Dr4Film

Ed, tell him that the Samsung RF-18 will function fine with his MSW Inverter. My Samsung RF-197 has been working just fine for over the past 9 years now while using the Trace/Xantrex RV-2012 MSW Inverter.


I35 North in Kansas City MO Closed but no detours
Nevada Rob

Wow I had no idea the the Interstate highway system separated the the average drug dealer and crime organization. This forum is great as I learn something new every day.


AquaHot Back-Up Battery
Nevada Rob

According to the AquaHot 600D manual, a second battery should be installed to keep constant 12VDC should the coach disconnect be activated during the diesel burner process. I do not see any secondary back-up battery.


AquaHot Back-Up Battery
Dr4Film

Robert, can you point to where you read about having a secondary back-up battery?

I have scanned both the owner and service manuals for any reference to requiring a secondary back-up battery and haven't been able to find any.

Normal operation requires a minimum voltage and if it drops below that minimum the unit with shut down to protect itself from damage.


AquaHot Back-Up Battery
Nevada Rob

I believe the idea is that if the unit looses power during the time when the burner is firing, the cooling fan will stop as well causing a concentrated heat spike. The more I think about it, I am going check voltage at the control board with the disconnect switch off. It may be hard wired from the batteries for this very reason??AHE-600-D01_AHE-675-D01_Service_Manual_Rev_A.pdf

Section 5 page 45AHE-600-D01_AHE-675-D01_Service_Manual_Rev_A.pdf


Cooling system capacity
monacodynasty05

Has anyone used the peak final charge converter?

 


I35 North in Kansas City MO Closed but no detours
Timaz996

I'm right down the road from you Jim, In Wasta, SD. I will be there in the Bad Lands on Tuesday If your still there we should meet for a cold one.

 

Tim


AquaHot Back-Up Battery
Dr4Film

My Aqua-Hot is wired directly to the House Battery Bank and I suspect that yours is also. I don't believe Monaco wired any of the Aqua-Hots through the House Battery Disconnect Switch specifically for that reason to protect the burner.


AquaHot Back-Up Battery
Paul A.

Aquahot & Hydrohot Manuals & Product Information

http://www.aquahot.com/Library.aspx?fbclid=IwAR2z7yNImbK--TmsFq0M8kKD7BQflefadEtW_xfxeAsHQelTOw7L7kabhkE

Forgot where i got this link. Lots of great information. There may be something there for ANYONE who has either product or just for casual reading.


I35 North in Kansas City MO Closed but no detours
Paul A.
5 hours ago, jacwjames said:

I was driving I70 West from ST Louis and planning on heading north on I29 out of Kansis City MO.   Ran into some really heavy thunderstorms and rain.  Lots of people just pulling off on the side of the road, including truckers.  I wasn't having a problem driving but the traffic became sketchy and I happened to see a sign for Bass Pro Shop and called and asked if they'd allow me to hold up there due to the weather, they said yes.  Punched it in to my GPS and got there without a problem. 

So Saturday early morning I get up and set up the GPS to head north toward Souix Falls SD on my way to the Badlands.  I noticed that  the GPS says I35, the connector to I29 was closed and didn't provide an alternate route but I figured OK there will be a detour.

There was not, came up to an off ramp with a road closed sign on I35.  The off ramp took you into a residential area, I was following a truck with 2 trailers and I figured OK he knows what he's doing and we slowly start driving through the narrow streets and it became obvious he didn't know what he was doing.   By this time there were other trucks following me.   Also obvious that other trucks had been doing the same thing as tree limbs were laying all over the streets.  Luckily I'm only 12' high so I fared OK when it came to the tree limbs.   Eventually the trucker in front of me came an intersection and just stopped.  I waited for ~5 minutes figuring he's talking to other truckers but never moved.

So I expanded the view on my GPS and decided to take a chance so I went around him and picked a route to get me back on I35, another truck started to follow me.  I got lucky and found a decent path and was back on I35 in about 5 minutes with at least one truck following me. 

Kansis City MO needs to get their crap together and make sure there are signs/detours available in a situation like this.   I know there were probably signs but with the heavy rain I didn't see any and since I stopped overnight and approached from a different direction, but not to have a detour🤬!!!!!

 

Hit some more hellish weather in SD with heavy winds and rain but made it to Wall SD and am parked on the edge of the Badlands watching the sun come up. 

Did you happen to check the DOT web sites to if they stated why the "detour" was in place?  A call to 911 would have been very interesting to listen too. "Might" have had a escort provided. Non emergency calls are allowed. I did it twice in 10 years full timing. I have a family member who is Retired and was a senior officer in the State Patrol, who advised me to do that.  Gotta keep peeling the "onion"


Alternator failed at 90K miles.
McHughes

I was curious so I did some testing.  Ran the engine without the alternator and sure enough the dash RPM gauge worked just fine.  That signal from the alternator must be used for something else.  Perhaps an indicator or to the ECM.  If I only had a wiring diagram.


I35 North in Kansas City MO Closed but no detours
jacwjames
3 minutes ago, Paul A. said:

Did you happen to check the DOT web sites to if they stated why the "detour" was in place?  A call to 911 would have been very interesting to listen too. "Might" have had a escort provided. Non emergency calls are allowed. I did it twice in 10 years full timing. I have a family member who is Retired and was a senior officer in the State Patrol, who advised me to do that.  Gotta keep peeling the "onion"

Well, hard for me to check the DOT website while driving.  My GPS did not have a detour listed and I had just updated it ~4 weeks ago.  The truckers were in worse shape due to height and length.  Lesson learned though, it the GPS says CLOSED I'll stop and looking/checking on options. 


Alternator failed at 90K miles.
moxy1962

AC signal also shuts off alt light 


I35 North in Kansas City MO Closed but no detours
Paul A.
12 minutes ago, jacwjames said:

Well, hard for me to check the DOT website while driving.  My GPS did not have a detour listed and I had just updated it ~4 weeks ago.  The truckers were in worse shape due to height and length.  Lesson learned though, it the GPS says CLOSED I'll stop and looking/checking on options. 

 Just some thoughts. Better proactive than reactive. Safe Travels.

 


I35 North in Kansas City MO Closed but no detours
jacwjames
7 minutes ago, Paul A. said:

 Just some thoughts. Better proactive than reactive. Safe Travels.

 

100% agree, I am usually proactive but in this case the storms got the best of me. 


Alternator failed at 90K miles.
Ray Davis
32 minutes ago, McHughes said:

I was curious so I did some testing.  Ran the engine without the alternator and sure enough the dash RPM gauge worked just fine.  That signal from the alternator must be used for something else.  Perhaps an indicator or to the ECM.  If I only had a wiring diagram.

Thank goodness,  I was beginning to question what I thought I knew.  Which ain't much.  LOL


Cooling system capacity
tmw188

Yes I was wondering about that with the AH but didn’t want to take this down a different path. Friend has the AH in a 2015 Phaeton. I believe it’s the later version.

Richard, No I do not have a AH


Cooling system capacity
tmw188
On 6/8/2021 at 8:24 AM, millionroy said:

After 2 1/2 years of owning a 2001 Holiday Rambler Endeavor 40' with the Cummins ISC 8.3 liter 330 HP engine, I just learned about SCA's!  Have determined I need to add Fleetwood DCA4 to my system.  Having scoured my owner's manual from front to back, I can find nowhere which addresses the coolant capacity.  Page 10-249 includes a sentence "Refer to the Coolant Capacity Specifications in this section."  I find no such information anywhere.

I understand there will be variation depending on the coolant plumbing, heater, etc.

HELP!

 

Roy Million

2001 HR Endeavor

2003 Honda Element 

 

Roy, I didn’t mean to hijack your thread the last few days but I guess it was along the same lines and probably most were following it. 
I too can’t find the coolant capacity in my manual, not even a range. 

Oh by the way at a Rural King in a neighboring town I found some Peak Fully Formulated coolant today for $10.99 gal

 

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I35 North in Kansas City MO Closed but no detours
Scott 61

What brand of GPS do you have that did not tell you about the detour


Cooling system capacity
millionroy

Wow, I just bought 15 gallons of  Peak Final Charge from Auto Zone for for $17.26 a gallon, with the understanding I can return the unused.  Have it in hand along with  a non sca filter and new thermostat.  Have an appointment Tuesday to have a new muffler installed and am anxious to see if that alleviates my overheating problem.  The hole in the muffler was aimed directly at the bottom of the fan and I had been wondering why the engine cover in the closet was turning black esp on the side to the rear.  Will still do the cooling system, but am anxious to see if the muffler replacement improves cooling.  I really expect it will make a significant difference.  The last time I took it out, coming up a long grade, I downshifted to keep my RPM at 2,000 and it didn't help at all.  I was only directing more hot exhaust to my radiator!!!


Cooling system capacity
Rich Cutler

Just a point.  If you use Fleetguard OAT lifetime, for us RVers, if you need to replace more than 20% with another brand lifetime you must change out the Fleetguard OAT to maintain the cavitation protection and other protections.  It is cheap insurance.  It is in the manuals and I contacted Fleetguard to confirm.  I had a leak requiring replacement of no Fleetguard brand at 30% over the period of a trip of 1000 miles.  I could not find Fleetguard OAT Complete anywhere.  


Changing ISC 350 8.3 Coolant?
tmw188

I have flushed and change coolants before but not in a diesel motor.  I don’t want to be Naïve by not knowing any possible challenges such as draining the block or getting the air out as I’m filling it. Others I would fill thru the radiator before starting, then start and continue filling while motor is running, maybe shut down intermittently and fill some more while idling. How difficult and what are the challenges. Any good sources out there on doing so?


I35 North in Kansas City MO Closed but no detours
jacwjames
2 hours ago, Scott 61 said:

What brand of GPS do you have that did not tell you about the detour

It is a Garmin 760,  I updated it about a month ago.  Evidently there were some truckers who had the same problem.  Makes me wonder if there was actually a detour.

 

What was funny is that they had the road completely shut down but I did not see any construction equipment on the parts that I could see.  The route I took to get back on 35 was ~4 miles.   

 

 


Replacing a roller on my bedroom slide out
Gary M

Bummer no replies yet. Well one Gary to another, your coach is way above mine. Wish I could help. Lots of pictures may help if someone reads your post.


Changing ISC 350 8.3 Coolant?
vito.a

Most Cummins engines do not have a block drain.  The best you can do is drain from the lower radiator hose.  The issue is you have only drained slightly over half of the system.  This requires lots of drains and flushes with water to get most of the original coolant out.  

Some folks have used a shop vacuum to pull the fluid out.  

Link to detailed thread:  

 


Temp sensor on new batteries
jacwjames

So my inverter started to act a little strange showing fluctuating state of charge on the house batteries. 

Previously when I had tested how long I might expect the batteries to last with the New Samsung installed it looked like ~8 hours.   I am now on a trip doing some overnighting without hookups and last night it was cool enough not to run the generator but the inverter kicked off in less then 5 hours, not sure when but when I got up to check it had already kicked off. 

Also, after driving all day the inverter display only showed 73% charged and I know my alternator was putting out +14 volts. 

So I did some checking today and sure enough, one of my batteries was not holding a charge.  But luckily I decided to stop at a Sam's club and they had 4 batteries in stock and installed them for me. 

I had to pry the temperature sensor off the side of one battery.  For now I have it laying off to the side.  I know there's been discussion on using the temp sensor and not using it.  What is the current thought on this and if I decide not to use it do I need to do anything to the Xantrex/Trace RV2012 inverter. 


Raising Bed to access storage
Gary M


I was planning on using this untill I found out I needed 8” depth to mount. Bummer!!

https://www.selbyhardware.com/store/storage-bed-mechanisms/
 

sku # X229000


Changing ISC 350 8.3 Coolant?
Nevada Rob

I just did mine last weekend. Took about an 1.5 hrs. I put in the Preston pre-clean solution and drove it around for a while. I have the ISL but I would image they are close to the same. I replaced the thermostat while we had it drained. Drained the system from the lower radiator hose, filled back through the overflow tank. it took 10 gallons of pre-mix. Cummins shop stated it does not matter which antifreeze (yellow or red) as long as it is all the same. Do not mix the two types. I am glad I did mine as I found the overflow tank splitting and leaking just a little. It would only have gotten worse. The plastic tank is no longer available so a replacement tank is steel at $400, ouch. Pretty easy job, you got this, no problem.


Changing ISC 350 8.3 Coolant?
tmw188

My concern is 3 fold.                                                                                              •I have a water source but no level place to perform this at home.    •Where I do have a level ground I have no water source.                                •Disposing of all the old coolant properly is going to be a problem. 
 

I will probably have it done at a Cummins facility but trusting it to be done thoroughly is always concerning.


Temp sensor on new batteries
tmw188

I haven’t heard of a temp sensor on batteries be charged by an alternator that has a voltage regulator, but that doesn’t mean it’s wrong. I have however used one on my solar charge controller on a previous coach. 


Replacing a roller on my bedroom slide out
Ray Davis

I haven't heard of a Monaco with a Happy Jack slide.  I believe the pictures in the link below is more than likely what you will see when removing the bed platform ( box ) to access the rollers.

Quick Tips and Easy Mods (Monaco Style) - Page 77 - iRV2 Forums*

The bed starts at post #1070.  Rollers can be found in the parts list ( downloads ) on this forum.


Temp sensor on new batteries
vito.a

I've run the inverter both with and without a temp sensor.  If you have it already there, just push it in-between two batteries or tape it to the side.  

If you decide to update your inverter to a Magnum your batteries will last a little longer.  


Temp sensor on new batteries
jacwjames
16 minutes ago, tmw188 said:

I haven’t heard of a temp sensor on batteries be charged by an alternator that has a voltage regulator, but that doesn’t mean it’s wrong. I have however used one on my solar charge controller on a previous coach. 

The Temp Sensor is for the inverter, which uses the reading to regulate state of charge.


Temp sensor on new batteries
waterskier_1

The temp sensor controls the battery charger (or solar controller) so it can charge as fast as possible without destroying the batteries buy overheating. I would recommend reconnecting to the new batteries. 


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