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Refrigerator power ??
Steven P
Refrigerator power ??
Grampy OG
Refrigerator power ??
Ivylog
Old Splendide Wtr Hose Hookup
tmw188
Thanks for the add
Mocephus
Old Splendide Wtr Hose Hookup
klcdenver
Old Splendide Wtr Hose Hookup
tmw188
Old Splendide Wtr Hose Hookup
tmw188
Old Splendide Wtr Hose Hookup
jacwjames
Old Splendide Wtr Hose Hookup
klcdenver
Thanks for the add
Jim McFarland
Old Splendide Wtr Hose Hookup
Ivan K
Another Auto Gen Start Thread
BigNick
Refrigerator power ??
johncvandoren@gmail.com
Old Splendide Wtr Hose Hookup
tmw188
Front flat tire protection
Paul A.
Another Auto Gen Start Thread
Dr4Film
Another Auto Gen Start Thread
BigNick
Another Auto Gen Start Thread
Dr4Film
Another Auto Gen Start Thread
BigNick
Front flat tire protection
Ray Davis

New Posts

Refrigerator power ??
Steven P

Nick, I like your plan too. One thing to consider here w all you're having to do is your case does make a strong argument for a second (PSW) inverter as others have done for their fridges.  Then you'd have no worries about it.  Just a thought. 


Refrigerator power ??
Grampy OG
On 11/2/2021 at 9:36 AM, Chuck B 2004 Windsor said:

You do NOT want to run a residential frig with a modified sine wave inverter.  Some members added a pure sine small inverter to run the residential frig on.

Interesting thought there Chuck. What size SMALL (PSW)  invertor would you think that they used? Meaning how may watts output. My residential fridge is the ubiquitous Samsung RF18.

My 3000 watt Trace runs all the time if I am off of shore power for no other reason but to keep the fridge running. In itself burns a lot of battery amps to operate. A smaller one in the fridge compart sounds like a cool (no pun) idea. I honestly think that the Trace sucks the house batteries down more than the Samsung does. 

 


Recommendations on replacing both my Duotherm 13.5K AC/Heat Pump units
Steven P
21 hours ago, Ray Davis said:

Steven has a Diplomat.  I'm pretty sure he does not have those drain pans.  So anyone with a Diplomat or lower on the scale, the extra gasket and drain pans are not used.

 

All true statements.  No drain pans for me.

@jacwjamescongrats!


Refrigerator power ??
Ivylog

Have read where a 500W inverter will run a Samsung because of the variable speed DC compressor. I added a 1000W PSW for my 21 Whirlpool…1000W because I also powered a Sat DVR receiver and the TV in the bedroom and on occasion, a 120V fan.


Old Splendide Wtr Hose Hookup
tmw188

So while winterizing the first time on this  unit I ran into issues with the hose connections. The issue is with finding the correct type of rubber washers for the hook up to the valves. They are damage badly probably from being over tightened thru the yrs. I’m not sure what they are suppose to look like but I don’t believe they are std hose washers. Also I’m finding the fitting themselves are not available anymore. To add to the issue valve threads are not WH (water hose) thread they are NPS straight (National  Pipe Straight) which leaves limited options. I could use an adapter to go from the valve to the new hose fitting. Anyway I’m changing the fittings leading to them to 1/2”Pex x 3/4 Swivel FIP (female pipe thread). So how many of you been thru this with these old machines? I’m sure the new machines are a std WH hook up now. 

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Thanks for the add
Mocephus

Welcome from NC!


Old Splendide Wtr Hose Hookup
klcdenver

Check the threads on the spendide to see what they are? If that fitting in the pic went straight to the splendid without an adapter, then I would assume that fitting was actually forced onto the spendide and you have thread problems. Take that fitting to the hardware store and you should be able to find a washer that will work. 


Old Splendide Wtr Hose Hookup
tmw188

No it wasn’t forced on there it screws in very easy. I’ve already determined the thread as stated above. I’m asking how many others have been thru this or is this a Splendide thing? 


Old Splendide Wtr Hose Hookup
tmw188

Many don’t know there are different threads so using the acronyms might be new to some. There are Tapered pipe threads that most relate to gas piping and plumbing let’s say, and there is Straight thread similar to a bolt thread. Then there is WH water hose thread which is straight and a coarse thread. They have adapters to mix and match to make things work. 


Old Splendide Wtr Hose Hookup
jacwjames

The fitting on the washer are metric and hard to find, I read a post on IRV2 that said ACE hardware had them but the available link didn't work. 

The hose itself is this Westland 112930  but they are pricey. 

FWIW, I have never removed my hoses.  To winterize I blow my lines and part of that is putting the washer through a cycle which purges the water.  The last thing I do it make sure to drain all the water from the bottom right clean out.  I tilt the washer a little to get a pan underneath it and remove the plug.  The plug is cheap and I broke the plastic tabs so I took a metal washer and epoxied them in place that I can put a crescent wrench on. 


Old Splendide Wtr Hose Hookup
klcdenver

Here is your answer straight from the manual.

 

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Thanks for the add
Jim McFarland

Welcome from the great state of Oklahoma. 

Jim


Old Splendide Wtr Hose Hookup
Ivan K

I have never messed with washer lines but the actual washer looks similar to what's in water manifold inlets and I get them from Supplyhouse.com, like these below:

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Another Auto Gen Start Thread
BigNick

Ok, I still need to look around the RV  paying close attention around the inverter and in the rear closet. Is there anywhere where this thing could be? As I went through my literature I found this manual.  Is the controller hard wired or does it plug in? I'm thinking I have a plug somewhere with no controller attached if it simply plugs in?

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Refrigerator power ??
johncvandoren@gmail.com
20 hours ago, 96 EVO said:

Did your coach come with a factory installed residential fridge?

No, it was a NeverCold.  I upgraded to an LG residential French door, plugged into the inverter-powered outlet.


Old Splendide Wtr Hose Hookup
tmw188
2 hours ago, jacwjames said:

The fitting on the washer are metric and hard to find, I read a post on IRV2 that said ACE hardware had them but the available link didn't work. 

The hose itself is this Westland 112930  but they are pricey. 

FWIW, I have never removed my hoses.  To winterize I blow my lines and part of that is putting the washer through a cycle which purges the water.  The last thing I do it make sure to drain all the water from the bottom right clean out.  I tilt the washer a little to get a pan underneath it and remove the plug.  The plug is cheap and I broke the plastic tabs so I took a metal washer and epoxied them in place that I can put a crescent wrench on. 

Well I know mine aren’t metric, I can easily thread on a over the counter 3/4 straight pipe threaded fitting, not a water hose thread. I wouldn’t have taken them off except while I was winterizing I wanted to look at the plastic strainers that are inserted in the valves because my flow is very slow that ‘s where it all started. That Westland part number won’t work on my old unit without modification, mine is plumbed with Pex all the way to the valve. I'll address a few other replies but didn’t want this thread to get too long. 

2 hours ago, klcdenver said:

Here is your answer straight from the manual.

 

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That’s a British Standard thread not sure about that, but I don’t think so on this old WD 802 M unit? 

1 hour ago, Ivan K said:

I have never messed with washer lines but the actual washer looks similar to what's in water manifold inlets and I get them from Supplyhouse.com, like these below:

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Now I did look at those and you could be correct but the couple I bought were just too much material it seemed. I just ended up getting the swivel 90 that fits the valve thread(straight) with the 1/2” Pex barb. 


FREE- Used Trace Engineering RV 2012 Inverter/Charger w/RC7-GS Remote
AlanC2

The Trace Engineering RV2012 has been "SOLD"

 

AlanC2

2002 Windsor PST


Front flat tire protection
Paul A.
19 hours ago, David Pratt said:

Rettrobands  were recalled over a year ago because of numerous failures and have not been on the market because they are still being evaluated. There are Rettroband Customers that have not received replacement bands and are still driving on Defective Rettrobands.

When Plastic meets Concrete/Pavement, Guess who wins.

The following is the information about Rettrobands.

IMPORTANT UPDATE FOR ALL RETTROBAND OWNERS

Dear Rettroband Owner,
For those of you whom I haven’t had the pleasure of meeting, my name is Brett Davis and I am the Founder and CEO of National Indoor RV Centers. I am also Co-Founder of Rettroband. For what it’s worth, I feel you should know I write all my own communications. Not our marketing department, and not our lawyers.
I purchased my first coach in 1985. I have nine children and twenty six grandchildren. During those thirty five years, almost without exception, every time I’ve traveled I’ve had what I consider very precious cargo onboard in the form of my children and/or grandchildren. Needless to say, front tire blowouts have always been of paramount concern to me.
Five years ago I met Robert Craig, Founder of Craig International Ballistics, when he was taking delivery of his coach from National Indoor RV Centers, and together we formed Rettroband. Craig International Ballistics is the largest supplier of armor to the Australian military, as well as eight other militaries around the world. Craig International Ballistic’s products range from body armor, to armored vehicles, to both fixed wing and rotary aircraft, and to vessels. Robert has thirty five years experience in manufacturing military grade armor and protective products for armored vehicles, including “run flat devices”.
Robert’s and my desire was to develop a product, a “run flat device” which would free coach owners from the continual dread in the back of their minds of a front tire blowout. We both recognized the Motorhome market is a very small market, but in dire need of such a product. And, we both really desired to solve this problem.
So, why am I writing you? A couple of my pet peeves over my thirty five years of RVing experiences are:
  1. Regardless of the number of times their products fail, or how widely known those failures are within the RVing community, the manufacturers almost always say “this is the first we’re hearing of this”.
  2. Whenever failures do occur, manufacturers tend to point up and down the supply chain trying to lay blame on someone else.
These are only two of a myriad of frustrations I have personally experienced over my years of RVing, and which ultimately led to the founding of National Indoor RV Centers.
When it comes to business I have always believed “if you have a problem, you put it up on the table so we all have a problem”. At National Indoor RV Centers we don’t hide issues, and we don’t duck from our customers. So, I am writing to inform you we have had several Rettroband failures recently, for a total of five Rettroband failures out of almost one thousand. While 5/1,000 is a very small percentage, in my opinion, one failure is one too many.
We at Rettroband experienced our first failure on, none other than, September 11th, 2019. We immediately sent the failed Rettroband to the laboratory to determine the cause of the failure. The cause was found to be over tightening of the Rettroband due to improper installation. The next failure occurred June 21st, 2020, and the last three failures have been in the last three weeks which is prompting this communication. We have not received back the cause of the most recent failure from the lab yet as it just occurred a few days ago. However, it sure appears to have been over tightened as well, and is most distressing to me because we (NIRVC) installed it. I wish I had all the answers for this latest failure before writing this email, but I also didn’t want to delay in communicating what appears to be the issue and what we think the solution is.
Immediately after determining the cause of the first failure, Robert started designing and engineering a solution, followed by molds, then production, and finally testing. I will try and paint a picture with words in hopes you’ll be able to visualize the problem, and therefore the solution.
In our development of the product, which took 3.5 years to design, engineer, and test, Robert did extensive testing. I’ll share with you just a few of Robert‘s tests:
  1. Compression. Rettroband withstood 32,000 pounds of pressure before the Rettroband failed.
  2. Strength. On a tire testing machine acquired from Bridgestone by the Big Tyre Company, they took Rettroband up to 75.18mph and then instantly hit it with 10,000 pounds of pressure numerous times.
  3. Durability. We wanted to be certain a coach owner could safely drive to the next exit following a blowout. Below is a link to a video showing the Rettroband attached directly to the brake drum... no rim! The Rettroband has 6 tons (12,000 pounds) of weight on it, and is traveling at 45mph. FYI, the largest Alcoa aluminum rim is only rated to 10,500 pounds. As you will see, Rettroband is extremely durable, and more than capable of being driven on after a blowout. Remember, in a true blowout Rettroband will have the added benefits of being attached to a rim within a tire as compared to this video. Here is the link to the video: https://youtu.be/RmGGKxlHix0
  4. Blowout. As many of you have seen before in the below video, we used a gas coach with a short wheelbase, and a very long overhang behind the drive axle. We also loaded the coach with ballast to the point we couldn’t get its speed above 65mph. While the test driver knew we were going to blow the tire, he didn’t know exactly when the tire would be blown. The drone shot at the 7:15 mark of the video captures the blowout from the exterior. Notice the coach doesn’t even wiggle. Then the interior camera shot at the 7:17 mark of the video captures the test driver’s hand on the steering wheel at the moment of the blowout. Notice again, the steering wheel doesn’t even wiggle. Here is the link to the video: https://youtu.be/ujVVWz-Wxjo
Robert focused in testing on the pressure and compression associated with the centripetal force, and the sudden impact of a blowout. We knew it was critical during the installation of Rettrobands for the gearboxes to be centered, and tightened only until both halves touched. Preferably, we like to be able to slide a sheet of paper between the two halves. What we have found, unfortunately, is that third-party installers were using air wrenches or rattle guns, and over tightening the the gearboxes. Tightening beyond the ability to slide a piece of paper through where the two halves meet is incorrect, and we now know that apparently it may lead to Rettroband failures as the over tightening bows the two halves, and stretches the entire system causing it to work against itself.
Now knowing the problem, as we now do, hopefully you’ll be able to visualize my explanation of the solution. Since “a picture is worth a thousand words” I’ll start with a series of pictures and explanations of each. Here is a drawing of the steel band which is inside the new Rettrobands:
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The steel band is inside each of the halves which make up the complete Rettroband. The large metal pin the gearbox threads into, will now go through the both the hole in the polyurethane composite AND the steel band. The steel band is anchored to both the large metal pins in the same half of the Rettroband. Now as the gearboxes bring the two halves together the steel band will act as a torque brake mitigating the risk of over tightening. The steel band anchors the two other metal pins to each other in the event of over tightening, as opposed to the gearboxes pulling the pins through the polyurethane.
Below is a picture of the steel band inside a polyurethane Rettroband. Notice how the large metal pin is no longer going through just the hole in the polyurethane, but it also goes through the steel band.
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Below is a picture of the steel band inside a rubber Rettroband:
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And finally, below is a picture showing the beginnings of a crack in the old Rettroband caused by over tightening. Once the crack has started we believe its travel can be accelerated in extreme heat. For example, one of the recent failures occurred during an outside temperature of 115 degrees, with pavement temperature of 150 degrees, and inside tire temperatures of almost 200 degrees. Hence, Robert’s testing of the new Rettrobands with the steel band inside have been performed this time around inside a kiln.
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I hope I’ve been able to paint a picture for you of both the problem and the solution. The in-house testing of the new Rettroband is nearing completion. Following completion of our in-house testing, once again, actual road testing using explosive charges will be carried out at the Nevada Auto Testing Center (“NATC”). NATC is a certified track and where we test blowing tires at speed on a Motorhome. This testing was scheduled to have been done this past March, but due to the Coronavirus, NATC postponed our testing dates. We are currently scheduled to do our final round of testing at the NATC in the coming weeks.
I’m sure the biggest question you are all asking yourselves right now is; what’s National Indoor RV Centers and Rettroband going to do about this? For this I’ll pull back the curtain a little.
At National Indoor RV Centers, we’re in the business of making customers for life. To that end, one of our training programs is a mandatory “Book Club” meeting every Monday morning at 7:30am. In this meeting all our employees participate in real life customer service experiences, both inside and outside of our company, as we go through four books on customer service over, and over again. We stress treating a customer the way we would want to be treated if our roles were reversed. We emphasize “always doing what’s right regardless of the cost”.
Additionally, Robert and I are concerned about what happens to your original Rettrobands when you need to replace your tires, or you sell your coach and the new owner needs to replace the tires. We will have no knowledge or control over how the new tire shop may reinstall the Rettrobands. Whether or not they will bother to follow the instructions. We are both the kind of men “who would rather sleep well, than eat well”. Rettroband was designed and engineered to keep you and your loved ones safe in the event of a blowout, and we will “practice what we preach” and stand behind the product or service we sell. We will be replacing the bands of all Rettrobands currently on the road at no cost to you our customer, and have ceased installations of the current design. (We won’t be replacing the gearboxes as they are not the problem, and we’ve never had one fail in either testing or in the market.)
Also, upon completion of the testing and compliance at the NATC, we will begin mass production of the new redesigned Rettrobands. While around the clock production will be quick, shipping 20 tons will take 47 days at sea, and another 8 days to clear customs and be at our facilities. Once they are aboard the ship, and their arrival date is know, we will begin booking appointments to swap out your bands and rebalance your tires.
In the meantime, I’m sure you’re wondering what happens should a Rettroband fail, and should you drive our coach while waiting on the replacement Rettrobands?
Since I am not one of the five who experienced a Rettroband failure, I can’t speak to this firsthand. However, I can pass on what I’ve been told the experience felt like, and fortunately, one of the failures was captured on a dash camera. I’ve been told it felt “like a buckboard wagon ride” for about a quarter of a mile until they could get to the side of the road. Three of the failures described it as feeling “like their tire was severely out of balance”. Here again, I believe “a picture is worth a thousand words”, and you can make your own assessment. Here is the link to the dash camera video of one of the Rettroband failures:
Now as to the question of whether you should or shouldn’t drive your coach while waiting for your replacement bands? Here, I really can’t offer any advice, because it’s similar to asking “how long is a piece of rope”. However, I can and will offer my opinion. We can start with 1,000 Rettrobands currently on the road, and then make any assumption you’d like to make on the number of miles they’ve been driven on since the first installation sixteen months ago. I’m just “spitballing” here, but let’s say they’ve averaged 5,000 miles apiece, multiplied by 1,000 Rettrobands, would equal 5,000,000 miles, out of which five bands have failed without an accident or a fatality. Personally, I feel much safer driving with the existing Rettrobands than I do driving without them, or with the other competing “run flat” devices currently available on the market today.
Please be sure, I will try to keep you updated on timing, as well as answer any questions as they arise.
Please feel free to call, email, or text me. It may take a little time in responding, but I will get back to you.

All the best,
Brett Davis
 

David;

Do you know the date that Brett Davis published this ? I saw it awhile back and do not recall. There were threads on this , on IRV2, July of 2020. 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Another Auto Gen Start Thread
Dr4Film

That device requires a Y-cable to be installed onto the harness located on the side of the generator. Then the wireless receiver is installed on the firewall above the generator. If you don't see the Y-cable or the receiver then it has been removed.


Another Auto Gen Start Thread
BigNick
1 hour ago, Dr4Film said:

That device requires a Y-cable to be installed onto the harness located on the side of the generator. Then the wireless receiver is installed on the firewall above the generator. If you don't see the Y-cable or the receiver then it has been removed.

Thank you Doc for that answer. I should find the wired receiver on the firewall wired to the genset via a Y cable. The actual control is a wireless unit?  And could be long gone.

Edit:

I see Cummins sells a wireless unit.

https://shop.cummins.com/CSSNAStore/s/product/a2w4N000003sSghQAE/onan-ecags-diesel-application-kit-a065u740


Another Auto Gen Start Thread
Dr4Film

The entire unit could be gone as it was a portable "add-on" device. The master control had a charger that would keep the internal Ni-cad batteries charged PLUS it had to be plugged into a receptacle that was NOT powered by the Inverter. That way the master control would know when shore power had been severed and depending on the setup parameters it would start the generator. It could also be programmed to start the generator if the inside of the coach reached a specific programmable temperature OR if the House Batteries reached a specific programmable voltage which would normally be around 12.1-12.2 (which is 50% SOC).


Another Auto Gen Start Thread
BigNick

Understood.  I'll bring the coach into the driveway tomorrow to do a service on the generator. Now that I'm a bit educated, I know what to look for. I'm pretty sure the master control isn't anywhere to be found., but I'll look in a couple non conspicuous places just to make sure. I'll get the serial and model number off the gen and call Cummins Monday to see if the new wireless system can be retrofitted.

 

Thanks again for taking the time to answer my questions.  The more and more I use the coach I can see a huge benefit to AGS. 


Front flat tire protection
Ray Davis

Here is a thread from FMCA forum that may be of interest.

https://community.fmca.com/topic/14691-rettroband-for-motorhome-tires/


Cummins 400ISL Oil Change and Transmission Service
BigNick
On 10/30/2021 at 6:47 AM, FishAR said:

No, a local truck shop.

Generator wouldn't start. I changed the oil and filter, fuel filter, air cleaner. Still wouldn't start.

They said I had a leak in a fuel line. No fuel on the floor though so I guess it was sucking air? 

I was reading something today about holding the stop switch to stop for a few seconds to prime it after filter change.


Where do you buy your oil and fuel filters ?
Steve P

Walmart for T6 Rotella.  Amazon mostly Fleetguard filters. Same for the Onans.


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