Chuck B 2004 Windsor Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 The SORE regulation applies to all spark ignition engines less than 25 horsepower. All gas and LP-powered RV generators are impacted by the regulation; diesel RV generators are exempt. The amendments approved by CARB will ban the gas/LP engines traditionally used in RV generators, effective with the 2028 certification model year. Despite efforts by the RV Industry Association and others to have RV generators exempted from the regulation, the ban was approved by the Board as proposed by CARB staff. As discussed below, the resolution was modified at the hearing to reflect the RV industry’s concerns. “We are appreciative to the many representatives of the RV industry, including manufacturers and suppliers, the RV Industry Association, the RV Dealers Association, and the California RVDA, who testified during the hearing on the proposed amendments and the need for different treatment for the fixed-mount generators in RV,” said RV Industry Association Director of State Government Affairs Michael Ochs. “The education that we did with Board members and staff prior to the hearing did result in several Board members expressing their worries about the challenges that lie ahead for the RV industry in complying with the ban.” Though the proposed amendments were not revised at the hearing, the Board did direct staff to report annually on the status of compliance and the progress being made (or not being made) in developing zero emission solutions. Staff was also directed to issue a more detailed technology readiness assessment in the 2025-2026 timeframe. If this readiness assessment finds that the technology needed for compliance in 2028 is unlikely to be available, consideration will be given to adjusting the timeline. It is important to note that, starting in 2022, the regulation will make it possible for RV manufacturers and suppliers to earn and bank credits by offering alternatives to traditional SORE-powered generators. To have the credits recognized by CARB, companies providing zero emission solutions (whether they are RV manufacturers or suppliers) will need to certify the system with CARB. These credits can be generated in the 2022-2027 timeframe. When traded or sold to traditional gas/LP SORE manufacturers, the credits can be used to offset compliance deficits incurred through the sale of SOREs that are not zero emissions. This credit program has the potential to defer the 2028 ban to 2032. Along with CARB, the RV Industry Association will continue to monitor the progress generator manufacturers are making in developing zero emission alternatives to SORE-powered generators and work with our members to educate them on the new credit program and the opportunities it presents. A copy of the SORE regulation as amended and all relating rulemaking documents can be found here. Anyone having further questions about the ban should contact Michael Ochs, RV Industry Association Director of State Government Affairs at mochs@rvia.org. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbr046 Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 NUTS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDCrow Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 Been following this. To Carb, a “generator” is now a battery bank. The goal zero or yeti that can take hours to charge via solar or need to be hooked to the grid. Look for RVs to : Go diesel=expensive Go Solar=expensive While Personally I have a lithium battery, it has limitations, notably running AC. I don’t have the time/money/space/desire to go with all solar and a massive battery bank “generator” I have no idea why they are so against LP or natural gas. It’s my understanding it’s very clean burning. Here in town they are finally trying to figure out how to run a generator off the methane that the dump creates. Been a flame burning at night for years. Anyway, here in Oregon we can’t be far behind as Oregon seems to have a crush on all things Cali. Here are some of the new generators https://www.goalzero.com/shop/solar-kits/solar-generator-kits/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdroberson Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 you had the chance to get rid of hem 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvrtoofast Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 California imposing regulations that inhibit individual freedoms to benefit "The Environment". The result being increased cost and California only vehicle standards. Also, a forced increase of the use of raw materials that pose cascading harm to the environment, i.e. Li-ion production. That never happens. I'm SHOCKED! I vote we keep California policies in California. P.S. LI-ion batteries are Awesome but come at a risk on the mining side (not a subject of this legislation). Trade-offs are a rule of life. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rikadoo Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 Its funny givin engines that run propane dont even dirty the engine oil, let alone the exhaust! For me i see it “as its all about control” I just erased a personal rant that would have changed the scope of this blog, instead i will say get involved, cause for most of us were pretty much spared, however for our kids an grankids we can see whats happening and just what they are trying to accomplish! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck B 2004 Windsor Posted December 15, 2021 Author Share Posted December 15, 2021 The money that went to California to clean out the underbrush either went to something else or padded someone's pocket. Then lightning strikes and starts a fire in the underbrush and you have burn baby burn. Then it takes several weeks to put that fire out while another starts elsewhere in the state. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ray Davis Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 IMHO, It's really about the iron fist and you'll do as I say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Cole Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, gdroberson said: you had the chance to get rid of hem They like their government bigger and harder in California. Edited December 16, 2021 by Gary Cole 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbr046 Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 Small engines generate soooo much polution (sic), but jet aircraft not so much? Wait until the gov't researches the viability of electric aircraft. Maybe that's where POTUS 1.2T (less 300B for roads) will go - into electric infrastructure. 🤣 If i get a gas RV it will have a realllllly big alternator. My dirt bike is ~35 hp for 150 cc. That's 26kW! It's a 2 stroke so probably already banned in the land of fruits & nuts. OTOH, my Predator generator is 6.5 hp from 200 cc. It just chugs along at low rpm. My answer would be to build a 20kW capable generator (26hp) and use it at low rpm (eco throttle). Problem is, it will weigh 400 lbs. Eventually they will come after us also. - bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JDCrow Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 14 minutes ago, Gary Cole said: They are building $18-$28k portable “jump” kits to put in roadside coverage fleets. Large lithium banks to get the EV cars moving. Or you can thumb a ride home and grab this….wait not in Cali https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a32069151/blink-roadside-mobile-charger/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saflyer Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 On 12/15/2021 at 8:49 AM, Chuck B 2004 Windsor said: The SORE regulation applies to all spark ignition engines less than 25 horsepower. All gas and LP-powered RV generators are impacted by the regulation; diesel RV generators are exempt. The amendments approved by CARB will ban the gas/LP engines traditionally used in RV generators, effective with the 2028 certification model year. Despite efforts by the RV Industry Association and others to have RV generators exempted from the regulation, the ban was approved by the Board as proposed by CARB staff. As discussed below, the resolution was modified at the hearing to reflect the RV industry’s concerns. “We are appreciative to the many representatives of the RV industry, including manufacturers and suppliers, the RV Industry Association, the RV Dealers Association, and the California RVDA, who testified during the hearing on the proposed amendments and the need for different treatment for the fixed-mount generators in RV,” said RV Industry Association Director of State Government Affairs Michael Ochs. “The education that we did with Board members and staff prior to the hearing did result in several Board members expressing their worries about the challenges that lie ahead for the RV industry in complying with the ban.” Though the proposed amendments were not revised at the hearing, the Board did direct staff to report annually on the status of compliance and the progress being made (or not being made) in developing zero emission solutions. Staff was also directed to issue a more detailed technology readiness assessment in the 2025-2026 timeframe. If this readiness assessment finds that the technology needed for compliance in 2028 is unlikely to be available, consideration will be given to adjusting the timeline. It is important to note that, starting in 2022, the regulation will make it possible for RV manufacturers and suppliers to earn and bank credits by offering alternatives to traditional SORE-powered generators. To have the credits recognized by CARB, companies providing zero emission solutions (whether they are RV manufacturers or suppliers) will need to certify the system with CARB. These credits can be generated in the 2022-2027 timeframe. When traded or sold to traditional gas/LP SORE manufacturers, the credits can be used to offset compliance deficits incurred through the sale of SOREs that are not zero emissions. This credit program has the potential to defer the 2028 ban to 2032. Along with CARB, the RV Industry Association will continue to monitor the progress generator manufacturers are making in developing zero emission alternatives to SORE-powered generators and work with our members to educate them on the new credit program and the opportunities it presents. A copy of the SORE regulation as amended and all relating rulemaking documents can be found here. Anyone having further questions about the ban should contact Michael Ochs, RV Industry Association Director of State Government Affairs at mochs@rvia.org. Some airports in California are switching from 100 octane low lead piston airplane fuel to no lead fuel. Unfortunately many airplanes with high compression engines can’t use that fuel. The FAA doesn’t seem to have much it can do in this situation. Higher octane unleaded fuel is coming but it’s not here yet. But that isn’t going to stop the crazies in CA. You can’t use unleaded fuel? Tough! Your airplane is now a boat anchor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Cole Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) California has more regulations on the books than any state in the union. Every citizen of Ca. is a criminal of some sort. The authors of Soviet penal code 58, which made any act not explicitly allowed by statute illegal and subject to prosecution, would be so proud. Edited December 16, 2021 by Gary Cole 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDCrow Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 Told ya Oregon can’t help but sniff anything Cali and get jealous https://ktvz.com/news/ap-oregon-northwest/2021/12/16/oregon-oks-more-aggressive-climate-protection-program/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rikadoo Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 Hey morning JD, i just finished reading that article🤦♂️ Sorry to see your state has headed for the rabbit hole, however givin the events over the last couple years it doesnt supprise me. Its funney how they claim to have taken on a new direction in how they handle “diveresity” it looks like all they have done is to break down the masses to allow authoritarians to take charge. Perhaps its time to relook at seperating the eastern part to become A part of Idaho😖 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Cole Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 (edited) I spoke to a retired California CHP officer a month or so ago at a Pilot. He said that he was going to take his Dynasty out of state so that he could have it chipped as it was illegal in California. I didn't comment however I thought to myself that here was a man who had spent his career enforcing and certainly harassing citizens with California's oftentimes crazy regulations and the moment he found himself on the other side he changed his stripes. Edited December 17, 2021 by Gary Cole 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ray Davis Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Gary Cole said: I thought to myself that here was a man who had spent his career enforcing and certainly harassing citizens with California's oftentimes crazy regulations and the moment he found himself on the other side he changed his stripes. Gary, I don't think you really meant that the way it came across. Those are people with families, hobbies, regular lives very much like all of us. Yes, sometimes their job may require them to enforce laws we don't like, but they didn't make the laws. Maybe that's the people to be angry with. I'm old now and seldom have an occasion to interact with law enforcement. However, I was young and crazy long ago and was not always the angle I am today. 😁 Today I actually appreciate our police, they have a very dangerous job, they're mistreated, and are about the only thing keeping the bad guys at bay. The courts are certainly no help controlling crime. Ever since the insane movement to diss and defund the police started, the crime rate has spiraled and if you defend yourself, you're likely to be the one behind bars. Edited December 18, 2021 by Ray Davis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Cole Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 Thanks for your perspective Ray. I was guilty of judging the man without knowing who he really was. It is true that part of being a good cop is enforcing laws they might not agree with. Difficult job for sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodylmiller Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 You have options when deciding on a career. I've quit jobs for no reason at all more than once. Just sayin'. And now with mayor's calling white law enforcement officers "racists", see ya!! Skilled construction trades make more money and the mayor's don't spit on you. Woody Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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