NAMVET77 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Trying hard to finish my yearly maintenance but the stars are not aligning. I removed the filters from the hydraulic reservoir drained the fluid and went to put in the 3 new filters. Low and behold the new filters are much smaller than the old ones. I have been searching online for the last 3 hours and have drawn a blank. So, I need help. I have looked at the data (and most do not give you the dimensions) to match what I had in the reservoir but can't find ones that are the right size. I have changed these filters many times but can't find any receipts with part numbers. The tank is a Nelson 19.5H and 9.5 Diameter. There are no numbers on the filters or tank. I have looked on the Cummins web site to no avail. I have 6 part numbers and they don't have the correct dimensions or do not identify what the dimensions are. Don't want to order the wrong ones again. The coach is a 04 Camelot with a 350 Cummins. The following are the part numbers I have looked at. The ones I bought are 84365A and they are way too small. 83804E 84101B 51487 LF637 51637 1637 NAPA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Pratten Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 I used Wix 57196 for my 2000 Dynasty ISC fan/power steering hydraulic system. My notes say Fram C7058 and Nelson 84101B are equivalent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution Dr4Film Posted January 22, 2023 Solution Share Posted January 22, 2023 (edited) The hydraulic filters that I had purchased for my previous Windsor were Nelson 84101B. Three stacked on top of each other. Edited January 22, 2023 by Dr4Film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lusgi Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 i have the same problem. Would you measure one of the filters you have out . Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cherry Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Here is what I know and remember from many posting about these. AND, remember, you are dealing with Monaco. The Nelson tank SHOULD have had some steel stamped numbers with the filter numbers on them. The 84101B, as Richard posted, was supposed to be the correct one. The 2004 Windsor and Camelots and Scepters were supposed to be the same. You are correct that your manual is worthless. The part numbers that you have above are NOT the same ones or are interchangeable. The 840101B is the correct one. The SINGLE filter Nelson, used later on, was a much smaller reservoir....maybe 2 gallons. It uses the 83804 or Fleetguard 83804E or LF637. I don't know about the exact size or dimension of the various part numbers.... BUT there are TWO DIFFERENT SIZES. You can NOT interchange or use the SINGLE Filter and just use 3 of them in the larger one You MUST use the 84101B or equivalent or whatever cross references to it. It takes some digging to get them to cross, but Wix and Napa and Donaldson have (or haver had) the correct ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAMVET77 Posted January 22, 2023 Author Share Posted January 22, 2023 Thanks everyone. I’ll order the 84101B. I looked up the specs on all the ones that I listed and couldn’t find the specs on the 84191B. Gotta get everything completed before I head to the Monaco rally. Lusgi, I’ll get the measurements in a few minutes and send them to you. Lusgi, the dimensions I measured on the filters I removed are 5 inches tall, 4 inches wide with a 1.25 inch diameter hole to slide over the fitting in the tank. The filters do not have a part number on them. I looked on my tank for the part number of the tank, filters and gasket but it is not there unless it is under the clamp. Thanks again everyone. What a great team!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAMVET77 Posted January 25, 2023 Author Share Posted January 25, 2023 I have ordered the 84101B filters. Should get them first part of next week. Hopefully they are the right ones. I have already removed the old filters and will need the new ones before I can go anywhere. Thanks everyone for the info. Don Genesse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidaddave Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 My Nelson hydraulic filter tank has Wix 557196 elements. I am looking for a source for the Nelson tank. I need a replacement dip stick. Since Cummins purchased the Nelson line I haven't found a good source for replacement parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAMVET77 Posted February 1, 2023 Author Share Posted February 1, 2023 I received my filters, installed them and ran the engine to check for leaks. No leaks. Getting closer to going to Lazy days to see everyone again. Still trying to get the lug nuts torqued. Still not having any luck. Hopefully will get that done so I can go to the Monaco meet. Don 04 Camelot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr4Film Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 One more project to check off the list. Won't see you at the Gathering this year. We cannot attend due as I had to go back to work this winter just to pay the bills. The present economy has taken most of my retirement savings, so a significant amount has now vanished into thin air. Once Dumb and Dumber are gone hopefully I won't have to work and will be able to attend the 2024 Gathering if we even have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAMVET77 Posted February 1, 2023 Author Share Posted February 1, 2023 Sorry to hear that Richard. I was looking forward to chatting with you. I can only pray we do much better than the mid terms went. Stay safe. Don 04 Camelot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cherry Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 13 hours ago, Trinidaddave said: My Nelson hydraulic filter tank has Wix 557196 elements. I am looking for a source for the Nelson tank. I need a replacement dip stick. Since Cummins purchased the Nelson line I haven't found a good source for replacement parts. https://www.ebay.com/itm/175330605194?hash=item28d284b88a:g:2mUAAOSwO8Fithx4&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA4MPkN1tuv0otiTcmNum%2F6HRXTrVLINf9i1qd0pL%2Fr5mDxvSr%2B1CTq%2BWsT0llT7CtlUiEXfpn%2FS5uX%2Fp5vJZT3UUc5w80IvIsdxiz8VAUf%2Fw0%2BY8esTNzM0z3F3TtPdnAe1EBZNPD3ydB3%2FuhAnROKtkSJ0DigRHLP6lycq7cnv7kpO4RCHkKWFaqKwCuXUOlyY7p3PVqTIhicQMG9yXVWGYAdfbEQPdCQ4nwgEuj7hY1QWHQJrx4N1Sxtt14vLD%2BHnpMDog69iiaIPVTZo5%2FI2DPbd0MrnePnNIh%2BnTUmoLx|tkp%3ABFBMkPmQ2MFh Don't know if this will fit There were at least TWO....maybe more styles used. There was the larger (held almost twice my size). FWIW, when Monaco abandoned the 3 filter larger on and went with the single (maybe 2 gallon) filter reservoir, they added a supplemental high pressures (think screw on oil filter), so the reservoir only filtered what got returned. Get someone to post a picture of their filter. I checked with a buddy and we think that the one in the eBay sale is NOT like our single filter. Don't know....but this might work... POST SCRIPT EDIT.... This appears to be the correct one based on Bill R's post below.... @Trinidaddave and @Bill R Please note the post below....looks like my "guess" worked.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill R Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 26 minutes ago, Tom Cherry said: Don't know if this will fit It is the correct dip stick for the 3 filter hydraulic tank I have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cherry Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Bill R said: It is the correct dip stick for the 3 filter hydraulic tank I have. BINGO.....that works. I don't have this so it was "ask and see". This should solve @Trinidaddave or Dave's issue. Glad it is the right one. Thanks for sharing your pictures. I always learn a lot.... You also get extra points for having such a clean "engine"....way to GO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidaddave Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 Thanks everyone, I may try ordering the dip stick suggested. It is cheap enough to try. I attached a picture of mine, it is missing the metal washer that is pressed on the end that allows the rubber portion to tighten and seal the top. thanks for everyone’s help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan K Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 If all else fails, you could possibly reuse parts of generic oil filler cap of correct dimensions like this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidaddave Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 Yes I have that type in use. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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