My Sanicon died today

[Pduggs]

On 5/27/2023 at 2:08 PM, Ivylog said:

97.33 hours! Actually I have no idea as the rig was 10 years old when I bought it and I haven’t used plus no hoses came with it. I know the original owner and 6 month out of the year it was gravity fed. Other 6 months it was usually in storage. There’s a couple pieces of hair on the impeller. 3 of the mounting eyes are broken off…. $100 including shipping.

 

Thanks Ivy but I think I’ll stick with the old style dump hose for now. 

[Ivylog]

1 minute ago, Pduggs said:

Thanks Ivy but I think I’ll stick with the old style dump hose for now. 

I’m with you on a 3” hose working better than a 1”.

[Tom Cherry]

Forgive me for sort of "HIJACKING" this thread to bring up a very important TOPIC.  SANITATION.  Each has to make up their own minds about how to dump.  I like the convenience...and will stick with it.  BUT...there is also something important to be pointed out regarding "Dumping" that has hit home to me....and it might, as we age, impact others.  So, this will be long....skim....but BE AWARE of the precautions one should take if they dump and rinse a conventional sewer hose WITHOUT the proper PPE....long sleeves and gloves and glasses.....  YES, I was a retired Safety Director and that is what we taught our Water Treatment system operators to do when the worked on equipment or used pumps or hoses or such....which was a routine event.  

I have TWO friends that almost died from a bacterial infection.  One is the EX GM of our local HR dealership and is a close friend and got me into motor homing.  The other is a retired school teacher whom I was best man at her wedding as I roomed with the groom.  They parted and we have been close to her ever since and she uses me as a "What do I DO?" on a variety of subjects.

The issue is also HIGHER NOW on my LIST.  I am successfully and speedily recovering from a Left Shoulder replacement.  Many of you MIGHT need a new "Joint" (LOL....) as you age or have issues.  I was totally active and was not good to a shoulder that I fell on in 1968 and and waterskied (deep water slalom start) until I was 70.  Fortunately, my rotator cuff was (is) in excellent condition, so I got the less risky "Typical".

My Surgeon had a long talk with me before releasing me a few weeks ago....I am still in an intense PT program and my PT lady also gave me the same lecture.  All this is from those conversations....plus some reading that I did. The number one issue for me, personally, now is risk of a major infection.  Therefore, I WILL have to have an antibiotic prior to any dental work...including routine cleaning.  The mouth...per both my dentist and surgeon is where MOST of the infections that impair or endanger an artificial joint comes from.

I am also a bit MORE at risk as I have a higher tolerance (built up immunity) to penicilian.  As a child, my family GP thought that a shot would cure the common cold and I did have some issues with inflamed tonsils and such.  But he also gave it to me when a bout or two of poison oak got REALLY red, infected and swollen.  SO, I have to have a higher dose to kick out a sinus infection.  I KNOW that and can give specifics to any medical person....which is GOOD....

OK....my surgeon said that he has had to redo a few joints.  What he means....you take them out....and put in a "Med Pack" for at least 10...up to 30 days.  That means that joint is totally immobilized and THEN, you have to heal....and then get a NEW joint....which takes a special (usually) kind and a longer surgery and more recovery...   OK>>>>>my friend, the Motorhoming guy, often arranged caravans.  We went to Greensboro with 5 or so rigs for the ACC Basketball Tournament.  He had needed a knee and was on his 3rd year or so...pushed the recovery (Type A) but was fine.  He cut some downed trees and brought the firewood for our "steel fire pit".  I recognized the vines and we did not burn them.  BUT, he had already developed a bad case of poison ivy on the leg that had the new knee.  I don't exactly KNOW how the contact area was on on his upper thigh....maybe wearing shorts as the weather was changing.  He was wearing jeans and it looked like he had wet his jeans from the crotch down to the knee on the "outside".  He finally went to his GP and they hospitalized him.  The poison ivy had turned into a massive infection.  They could not control it.  They had to remove the knee and immobilize him.  Then he got a new knee.  But, he needed, a few years later...a shoulder.  OPPS.  one of the side effects of a massive infection, per my surgeon....is a Nickel allergy.  This is a bit more common and many folks (used to be females) can't wear SS ear or other piercing jewelry...only GOLD...and sometimes Sterling.  

That meant he had to have a Titanium Shoulder and they had to swap out, third knee joint, his old one for Titanium.  BTW...I have a 10" Titanium plate in my left leg and 9 or so screws....

Bottom line, he is not as mobile as he used to be and has other health issues from the infection.  He was told NOT ever to DUMP a MH sewer without a Hazmat suit.  A little over the top....but any open sore or cut or whatever can go off the rails and a person with replacement joints can be at risk.

During my discussion, my surgeon also pointed out the risks of Cellulitus.  

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/cellulitis/symptoms-causes/syc-20370762#:~:text=Cellulitis (sel-u-LIE,face%2C arms and other areas.

My retired school teacher friend had to walk a half mile for a concert and that caused a blister on her heal as she was planning on parking across the street.  Not a big event....and THEN.  Within a week, she developed Cellulitus....and it got worse....big time swelling of her leg from the foot up to the knee.  Painful and HOT to the touch.  She is not one to run to a doctor every time she sneezes...so she put it off.  He put her into a hospital and they treated her for a few days.  WHAT he did not know, nor she think it pertinent....nor was in her records....her Dentist had been giving her an antibiotic for 30 plus years (2 X year) due to a "Heart Mumur".  I talked to my dentist and he said that the ADA had changed that recommendation many years ago...but some dentists were of the "old school".  Therefore, she had a tremendous tolerance....or any antibiotic would have to be specially formulated or such to be effective.

She did not do well....and ended up for a week's stay with a 3 hour drip for 5 days after a specialist exhausted his "tricks" and went way out of the norm.  What the specialist did not know....  She is a cat lady.  She has maybe 5 or so and they are house trained, but also are in and out.  I finally connected the dots and my surgeon confirmed my logic.  My surgeon had a patient that got a cat scratch on his leg.  That went directly to a major infection....and the removal and treatment and replacement.....from the patient having Cellulitis.  Cats cover this wastes and god knows WHAT an outside cat gets into. Her cats were all over the furniture and she had her shoes off when resting on the sofa and the bacteria, most likely from her cats, got into the blister and that took over and she did not get it treated quickly and then had issues so that a special cocktail was needed.  Fortunately, she recovered.

BOTTOM LINE>>>>>

Be aware of the risk, as you age, of routine cuts or scratches and infections....and if you are like me and have a high tolerance....the major risks.

SO....I will never use a Slinky Stinky again...no matter how careful I am.  I will use, as I really should, gloves from now on....even though my Sanicon does not require the rinsing of the hose....

As Jimmy Buffett said (without due credit to Betty Davis)....  Growing OLD ain't for Sissies....  

Do as you see fit...be be aware of the need for increased PPE when you use a conventional dumping method and also if you have my "got a shot every month" background or get (or have) an artificial joint....

END of RANT....stepping down carefully from the podium....

 

[Ivylog]

Guess I’m uneducated enough to not worry about a lot of things. About the only thing I stopped doing during Covid was to stop licking door knobs. Didn’t wear masks unless required to…went to a store that didn’t require if possible. Traveled out West both summer of Covid and ate out occasionally. Pumped diesel without gloves as usual… yes I wash my hands afterwards. 6 months ago 10 of 13 people at a dinner party caught Covid, wife and I didn’t and we haven’t had it. Will not get a Covid booster and only got the jab because we travel often.

Haven’t worn gloves while dumping or any other things ^^^ in 50+ years. Even after reading the above, I’m not going to start now. Not sure if there’s much difference in the outside of a 3” hose and a 1” hose that do the same thing. Yes, I wash my hands after dumping most of the time.

Last week I had to walk through a large crop of poison ivy. Had long pants on and no reaction afterwards and I have a partial right knee replacement. Guess I’m not a Sissy yet as I jump down from the podium. Ignorance is bliss and the following is after my posts on RV.net and applies here:

This post is my opinion (free advice). It is not intended to influence anyone's judgment nor do I advocate anyone do what I propose.

[Tom Cherry]

41 minutes ago, Ivylog said:

Guess I’m uneducated enough to not worry about a lot of things. About the only thing I stopped doing during Covid was to stop licking door knobs. Didn’t wear masks unless required to…went to a store that didn’t require if possible. Traveled out West both summer of Covid and ate out occasionally. Pumped diesel without gloves as usual… yes I wash my hands afterwards. 6 months ago 10 of 13 people at a dinner party caught Covid, wife and I didn’t and we haven’t had it. Will not get a Covid booster and only got the jab because we travel often.

Haven’t worn gloves while dumping or any other things ^^^ in 50+ years. Even after reading the above, I’m not going to start now. Not sure if there’s much difference in the outside of a 3” hose and a 1” hose that do the same thing. Yes, I wash my hands after dumping most of the time.

Last week I had to walk through a large crop of poison ivy. Had long pants on and no reaction afterwards and I have a partial right knee replacement. Guess I’m not a Sissy yet as I jump down from the podium. Ignorance is bliss and the following is after my posts on RV.net and applies here:

This post is my opinion (free advice). It is not intended to influence anyone's judgment nor do I advocate anyone do what I propose.

Your call.  Glad you have no issues.  This was not about Covid or whether you get poison ivy or such….sorry if that was confusing….

the point of my post.  Fecal bacteria, cats or dogs or humans or rotting meat can cause an infection that can eventually cause, and has been traced, to Cellulitis as well as damaging artificial joints.  Our immune systems get older.  Whether you do or do NOT get any vaccine was not the point. If you DO get a flu VAX, it is 4 times the strength if over say 60 or so….that is because our immune systems age….and they need more of the Vax to grow the antibodies that fight the flu.

Pure and simple, we old folks, even supermen like you….need to be aware that infections take a harder and bigger toll.  

I could not let this go by without pointing out the need, as anyone ages, to be extra careful when dumping….and if one has pets, be aware that little nicks or scrapes or clawed or bites are more susceptible to bacterial infections and that can lead to ugly consequences.

I unfortunately do not always practice what I preach…as a few know….but almost killed myself doing something seeming simple without thinking….just like folks do when in a hurry to leave and not use PPE or washing.  I did my little UH OH once…and used up a bunch of lives….so, now, I think….then DO…and my new joint came with a big “string” and I not gonna put it at risk.  My retiree teacher just rubbed a blister and it got innocently infected….and almost died….and no Covid or Poison Ivey or alcohol involved…  BTW, she is in great shape and works out and has a low BMI and only a mild BP med….no other high risk factors….she just got a bad infection and it spread….ugly!

I also respect your disclaimer…..but mine was meant to inform….and let individuals know the risks and the consequences and make up their own minds with facts….

Thanks….

 

 

[Ivylog]

Bringing up Covid and poison ivy was to put it into context that there’s multiple things I do not worry about. We MH with 2 cats and yes that puts us in a Petri dish…maybe that makes our immunities stronger, who knows? I’m sorry if this sounds stupid BUT (I love it when someone adds BUT) But at 78 I’m not changing my ways and start worrying about things now. We’ve lived a great life, in the best of times, and without any regrets.

As Clint Eastwood said, when asked why he kept working at 90… “you don’t let the old man in”!  Different strokes for different folks.

[throgmartin]

I keep a bottle of hand sanitizer in my wet bay. I am a germaphobe which is why I keep hand sanitizer everywhere, including my truck. Maybe I am a relative of Howard Hughes. 🙂

I never used to be that way and in my misspent youth took a lot of chances. But then we all drank water from a garden hose and ate dirt as a kid and lived to tell about it. But as Tom say's, as we get older our immune systems start a downward trend. I married a funeral home owners daughter at the age of 18 and worked part time as a mortician. I can remember days we were so busy that we didn't have time for lunch. I used to hold a trocar in a femoral artery with my right hand when embalming a body while eating a sandwich with my left hand. I can remember getting multiple cuts on my hands while inside a chest cavity and was stabbed with dozens of needles. Never thought a thing about it. Then AID's came along and all of us morticians rushed to the Doctors to be tested for AID's, Hepatitis A, B and C and everything else under the sun. Suddenly our prep rooms turned into sterile environments, not for the deceased but the morticians sake. We all started taking extra precautions by wearing gloves, masks and washing our hands constantly like a surgeon. I finally learned how to suture using gloves. When AID's was raging many funeral homes went to traveling tradesmen, morticians who came in to handle the embalming. Of course my Father in law, being cheap wouldn't spend the money on a tradesman so we were left still embalming. Over the course of 14 years, part time, I think I worked on 350 bodies and worked 500 funerals. Almost everyone here remembers the AID's epidemic. But unless someone was in the medical work force at the time, one could never understand the shear panic when you got stuck with a needle accidentally or came in contact with someone else's blood or body fluids.

Looking back on it and how I exposed myself to copious amounts of blood and body fluids ( without surgical gloves ) I thank God for never contracting a serious disease. Making matters worse, back then hospitals didn't test or notify you of a person who had AID's or any of the Hepatitis diseases. They just started reporting to the funeral homes as I was getting out of the business.

The fact of the matter is that some people have amazing immune systems. Others don't. Mine, due to my age, sucks. I find it mind boggling that one individual can walk outside, grab a pile of dirt and eat it and not get sick. Others would be in an Emergency room fighting for their life. I understand where Tom is coming from.

[Paul J A]

20 hours ago, Ivylog said:

Guess I’m uneducated enough to not worry about a lot of things. About the only thing I stopped doing during Covid was to stop licking door knobs. Didn’t wear masks unless required to…went to a store that didn’t require if possible. Traveled out West both summer of Covid and ate out occasionally. Pumped diesel without gloves as usual… yes I wash my hands afterwards. 6 months ago 10 of 13 people at a dinner party caught Covid, wife and I didn’t and we haven’t had it. Will not get a Covid booster and only got the jab because we travel often.

Haven’t worn gloves while dumping or any other things ^^^ in 50+ years. Even after reading the above, I’m not going to start now. Not sure if there’s much difference in the outside of a 3” hose and a 1” hose that do the same thing. Yes, I wash my hands after dumping most of the time.

Last week I had to walk through a large crop of poison ivy. Had long pants on and no reaction afterwards and I have a partial right knee replacement. Guess I’m not a Sissy yet as I jump down from the podium. Ignorance is bliss and the following is after my posts on RV.net and applies here:

This post is my opinion (free advice). It is not intended to influence anyone's judgment nor do I advocate anyone do what I propose.

THANK YOU Dick!  I have and am blessed to have -2- Grand daughters who are Nurses. So, I get to hear the real "skinny" on lots of !@#$%^& that went on during covid. 

Edited May 30, 2023 by Paul A.

[Pduggs]

On 5/29/2023 at 11:26 AM, Tom Cherry said:

Forgive me for sort of "HIJACKING" this thread to bring up a very important TOPIC.  SANITATION.  Each has to make up their own minds about how to dump.  I like the convenience...and will stick with it.  BUT...there is also something important to be pointed out regarding "Dumping" that has hit home to me....and it might, as we age, impact others.  So, this will be long....skim....but BE AWARE of the precautions one should take if they dump and rinse a conventional sewer hose WITHOUT the proper PPE....long sleeves and gloves and glasses.....  YES, I was a retired Safety Director and that is what we taught our Water Treatment system operators to do when the worked on equipment or used pumps or hoses or such....which was a routine event.  

I have TWO friends that almost died from a bacterial infection.  One is the EX GM of our local HR dealership and is a close friend and got me into motor homing.  The other is a retired school teacher whom I was best man at her wedding as I roomed with the groom.  They parted and we have been close to her ever since and she uses me as a "What do I DO?" on a variety of subjects.

The issue is also HIGHER NOW on my LIST.  I am successfully and speedily recovering from a Left Shoulder replacement.  Many of you MIGHT need a new "Joint" (LOL....) as you age or have issues.  I was totally active and was not good to a shoulder that I fell on in 1968 and and waterskied (deep water slalom start) until I was 70.  Fortunately, my rotator cuff was (is) in excellent condition, so I got the less risky "Typical".

My Surgeon had a long talk with me before releasing me a few weeks ago....I am still in an intense PT program and my PT lady also gave me the same lecture.  All this is from those conversations....plus some reading that I did. The number one issue for me, personally, now is risk of a major infection.  Therefore, I WILL have to have an antibiotic prior to any dental work...including routine cleaning.  The mouth...per both my dentist and surgeon is where MOST of the infections that impair or endanger an artificial joint comes from.

I am also a bit MORE at risk as I have a higher tolerance (built up immunity) to penicilian.  As a child, my family GP thought that a shot would cure the common cold and I did have some issues with inflamed tonsils and such.  But he also gave it to me when a bout or two of poison oak got REALLY red, infected and swollen.  SO, I have to have a higher dose to kick out a sinus infection.  I KNOW that and can give specifics to any medical person....which is GOOD....

OK....my surgeon said that he has had to redo a few joints.  What he means....you take them out....and put in a "Med Pack" for at least 10...up to 30 days.  That means that joint is totally immobilized and THEN, you have to heal....and then get a NEW joint....which takes a special (usually) kind and a longer surgery and more recovery...   OK>>>>>my friend, the Motorhoming guy, often arranged caravans.  We went to Greensboro with 5 or so rigs for the ACC Basketball Tournament.  He had needed a knee and was on his 3rd year or so...pushed the recovery (Type A) but was fine.  He cut some downed trees and brought the firewood for our "steel fire pit".  I recognized the vines and we did not burn them.  BUT, he had already developed a bad case of poison ivy on the leg that had the new knee.  I don't exactly KNOW how the contact area was on on his upper thigh....maybe wearing shorts as the weather was changing.  He was wearing jeans and it looked like he had wet his jeans from the crotch down to the knee on the "outside".  He finally went to his GP and they hospitalized him.  The poison ivy had turned into a massive infection.  They could not control it.  They had to remove the knee and immobilize him.  Then he got a new knee.  But, he needed, a few years later...a shoulder.  OPPS.  one of the side effects of a massive infection, per my surgeon....is a Nickel allergy.  This is a bit more common and many folks (used to be females) can't wear SS ear or other piercing jewelry...only GOLD...and sometimes Sterling.  

That meant he had to have a Titanium Shoulder and they had to swap out, third knee joint, his old one for Titanium.  BTW...I have a 10" Titanium plate in my left leg and 9 or so screws....

Bottom line, he is not as mobile as he used to be and has other health issues from the infection.  He was told NOT ever to DUMP a MH sewer without a Hazmat suit.  A little over the top....but any open sore or cut or whatever can go off the rails and a person with replacement joints can be at risk.

During my discussion, my surgeon also pointed out the risks of Cellulitus.  

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/cellulitis/symptoms-causes/syc-20370762#:~:text=Cellulitis (sel-u-LIE,face%2C arms and other areas.

My retired school teacher friend had to walk a half mile for a concert and that caused a blister on her heal as she was planning on parking across the street.  Not a big event....and THEN.  Within a week, she developed Cellulitus....and it got worse....big time swelling of her leg from the foot up to the knee.  Painful and HOT to the touch.  She is not one to run to a doctor every time she sneezes...so she put it off.  He put her into a hospital and they treated her for a few days.  WHAT he did not know, nor she think it pertinent....nor was in her records....her Dentist had been giving her an antibiotic for 30 plus years (2 X year) due to a "Heart Mumur".  I talked to my dentist and he said that the ADA had changed that recommendation many years ago...but some dentists were of the "old school".  Therefore, she had a tremendous tolerance....or any antibiotic would have to be specially formulated or such to be effective.

She did not do well....and ended up for a week's stay with a 3 hour drip for 5 days after a specialist exhausted his "tricks" and went way out of the norm.  What the specialist did not know....  She is a cat lady.  She has maybe 5 or so and they are house trained, but also are in and out.  I finally connected the dots and my surgeon confirmed my logic.  My surgeon had a patient that got a cat scratch on his leg.  That went directly to a major infection....and the removal and treatment and replacement.....from the patient having Cellulitis.  Cats cover this wastes and god knows WHAT an outside cat gets into. Her cats were all over the furniture and she had her shoes off when resting on the sofa and the bacteria, most likely from her cats, got into the blister and that took over and she did not get it treated quickly and then had issues so that a special cocktail was needed.  Fortunately, she recovered.

BOTTOM LINE>>>>>

Be aware of the risk, as you age, of routine cuts or scratches and infections....and if you are like me and have a high tolerance....the major risks.

SO....I will never use a Slinky Stinky again...no matter how careful I am.  I will use, as I really should, gloves from now on....even though my Sanicon does not require the rinsing of the hose....

As Jimmy Buffett said (without due credit to Betty Davis)....  Growing OLD ain't for Sissies....  

Do as you see fit...be be aware of the need for increased PPE when you use a conventional dumping method and also if you have my "got a shot every month" background or get (or have) an artificial joint....

END of RANT....stepping down carefully from the podium....

 

 Valid points Tom. Thanks. What I really liked about the Sanicon was not cleaning out a stinky slinky and having to stow it. The only connect was screwing and unscrewing the cap on the end of it. 

[96 EVO]

30 minutes ago, Pduggs said:

 Valid points Tom. Thanks. What I really liked about the Sanicon was not cleaning out a stinky slinky and having to stow it. The only connect was screwing and unscrewing the cap on the end of it. 

If or when mine dies, I'll be replacing it!

I've used it exclusively since I purchased this coach 10yrs ago, and wouldn't want to go back to the slinky! 

[Guest Ray Davis]

On 5/29/2023 at 3:41 PM, Ivylog said:

Bringing up Covid and poison ivy was to put it into context that there’s multiple things I do not worry about. We MH with 2 cats and yes that puts us in a Petri dish…maybe that makes our immunities stronger, who knows? I’m sorry if this sounds stupid BUT (I love it when someone adds BUT) But at 78 I’m not changing my ways and start worrying about things now. We’ve lived a great life, in the best of times, and without any regrets.

As Clint Eastwood said, when asked why he kept working at 90… “you don’t let the old man in”!  Different strokes for different folks.

To a great extent, I agree with you and Clint.  I don't worry about much, EXCEPT, poison ivy.   I've had poison ivy and it is awful, and to think at one time I was not allergic to the stuff.  I did hear on the news that Clint Eastwood had not been seen in 400-plus days, doesn't sound good, but maybe nothing.  I think he is 93.   Yep, I believe the same as you our immune system is like the rest of our body,  use it or lose it.  However, ya still gotta use your head & stay away from bad stuff.   Yes It has been mostly good times, , great life, and no regrets here either.  The future? uhh, I'm looking forward to it and hopeing for more of it.

[Tom Cherry]

3 hours ago, Ray Davis said:

To a great extent, I agree with you and Clint.  I don't worry about much, EXCEPT, poison ivy.   I've had poison ivy and it is awful, and to think at one time I was not allergic to the stuff.  I did hear on the news that Clint Eastwood had not been seen in 400-plus days, doesn't sound good, but maybe nothing.  I think he is 93.   Yep, I believe the same as you our immune system is like the rest of our body,  use it or lose it.  However, ya still gotta use your head & stay away from bad stuff.   Yes It has been mostly good times, , great life, and no regrets here either.  The future? uhh, I'm looking forward to it and hopeing for more of it.

As a followup, probably beating a dead horse, but I sat through a one-on-one special class for “hip and knee” replacement “Pre OP” Q&A this morning as my wife has her knee scheduled for mid June.  Due to the issues that folks, especially those that are almost 4 SCORE ….and maybe those approaching 3 SCORE are now incurring, the joints for those two are trending more towards Titanium or special low Nickel metals.  I have SS in my shoulder….

The RN that went through the almost one hour slide presentation was emphatic about the need to prevent an infection…..during healing….as well as once “released”.  The major complications, although minor in occurrence, was developing an uncontrolled or MRSA or Staph infection and the joints are the first to be impacted.

They have a followup  “reminder when fully released” session to reemphasize that once you become a “One Packer….or a full Six Packer”, you are at a very elevated risk.  Hand washing and sanitizing and perhaps not getting up close and personal with someone that is sick or just doesn’t feel good….

From a PPE standpoint, there is virtually no exposure to pulling out the flex Sanicon fitting and putting into a CG drain or occasionally attaching a garden hose for long runs…..compared to removing and attaching and then using and properly rinsing and storing a conventional drain hose.  BUT, i will start to wear PPE.  Your eyes are very susceptible….that is why face shields were required for ER folks treating HIV patients who were nauseous….and there were many medical folks that contracted it that way….my BIL lost a good friend and neighbor as he “forgot” one night and a patient threw up and he was rushed to the eye wash and also “sanitized”….he died 4 years later and left small kids….

Lots of difference in most folks immune systems before they reach 60 compared to 80…..and if you are at risk, as in a compromised immune system (chemo or such) as well as have replacement joints, then you should weigh the risks and make your own call.

I’m reminded of teaching the “new” OSHA electrical safety guidelines circa 2000….and all my electricians were bemoaning the increased PPE and more “trouble”.  One day, I finally asked….do you go out snake hunting and capture rattle snakes….laughter.  Of course there are many that do.  MOST wear PPE and use handling tools.  Some diehards don’t….and they admit that every time they do it, they think….will my luck (skill) hold out.  I asked….”if you keep picking up that rattle snake with your bare hands….you know it will happen…or a near miss..”.  So, based on my situation and age, I will minimize my risk and only use my Sanicon….

The closing statement today was….you are going to be much better off after successful joint replacement….but it comes with a price….the risk of an infection that can be devastating….

[Guest Ray Davis]

Agree 100% that infection can overwhelm and kill, especially with age, sickness, surgeries, chemo, joint replacements, etc which can make us more vulnerable.  I do try to be careful and stay away from the bad stuff, and absolutely, you should protect yourself, follow all precautions, and pay no attention to comments on here.     

The fittest among us can have our lives spin out of control in an instant.   I feel great compassion for all who are suffering or contending with health issues.  I have had health issues myself and I realize my day is coming.  It's appointed to man to die, I just don't want to quite yet.

Never meant to be insensitive, I hope all will forgive me if it came across that way.

Edited June 1, 2023 by Ray Davis

[Ivylog]

10 hours ago, Ray Davis said:

Never meant to be insensitive, I hope all will forgive me if it came across that way.

I reread my posts and your comments to it. Guess I’m the insensitive ones as it hadn’t occurred to me that I needed to ask for forgiveness. Opinions are just that Opinions. It’s probably good that many thought my not using PPE is I’ll advised as they do. Wouldn’t hurt my feelings, even if they said so. Yes, many are not as lucky as we are, and not just health wise. Hopefully we don’t have to add this after every post we do.

This post is my opinion (free advice). It is not intended to influence anyone's judgment nor do I advocate anyone do what I propose.

[Dr4Film]

Dick B,

Reminds me of the new car ads on TV with professional drivers driving the cars on a closed course where in tiny print the ad states NOT to try this at home.

You can't fix stupid ignorant people who will never accept responsibility for their actions.

Nowadays, why should they as there are no more consequences for their actions unless they die.

Actually, the victim ends up being the one persecuted and the perpetrator becomes the victim. That is today's common sense approach to justice.

We now have a warped society of people living in this country.

Glad that I am in the twilight of my life!

End of rant!