2008 Scepter; Front Hydraulic slides Issues

[TommyL]

08 camelot 43’tag P/S kitchen. Both front hydraulic slides failed at same time, hydraulic motor runs normal. Sounds to be under a load, thus still turning pump (maybe?). Both rear slides operating normally ( electric gear and cable driven ). Thus eliminating lockout failure ( maybe?). Manual says there’s a slide-room module beneath the far rear curbside cabinet with 5 amp fuse and 20 amp circuit breaker. I can’t find it !  99% sure control valves have lost power. Have checked all fuses ( I know of ). Any suggestions appreciated.Thanks TommyL 

[10Boomer]

Following my 08 PSide slide is creeping out.

[Gary M]

My 5amp fuse is in the battery bay. But then I have a 09 knight.

[96 EVO]

7 hours ago, TommyL said:

08 camelot 43’tag P/S kitchen. Both front hydraulic slides failed at same time, hydraulic motor runs normal. Sounds to be under a load, thus still turning pump (maybe?). Both rear slides operating normally ( electric gear and cable driven ). Thus eliminating lockout failure ( maybe?). Manual says there’s a slide-room module beneath the far rear curbside cabinet with 5 amp fuse and 20 amp circuit breaker. I can’t find it !  99% sure control valves have lost power. Have checked all fuses ( I know of ). Any suggestions appreciated.Thanks TommyL 

Feel the 3 solenoids on the hyd pump.

I had the same symptoms and one of the solenoids was getting power (hot to the touch), when it shouldn't have been.

Pretty sure the module under the floor of your bedroom closet is just for the rear slides.

[TommyL]

2008 camelot 43’ Gary , checked battery bay again no luck, bay aft ( also P/ S) has some fuses, all good ( 10 amp or bigger)that’s where the refrigerator fuse is. Thanks, still looking for the phantom fuse.

Ben , saw your old post, all three ambient, again today, still cool . If fuse blown control valve may not get hot ?. Didn’t find module under closet ( engine bay ) just insulation and bundles of wiring harness. May pull toilet and look under washer cabinet ( D/S ) that’s where I put the surge protector, don’t remember seeing it, but that’s been 10 years. 
Any, and all advice appreciated.  Also, slides retracted that morning , drove home in rain . Next day rears worked ,but no fronts , motor still runs but no out or in . Thanks TommyL.

[96 EVO]

Do you have two cloths closets/ storage cabinets to the left of your mirrored main closet?

If so, you will likely find the rear slide modules under the lower false floor. It was a real stupid place for them to hide it, as, if it fails while your wardrobe slide is closed, it's blocking the doors you need to get into before removing the false floor 😖!

I haven't needed to get at mine, but Harry has.

Edited August 14, 2024 by 96 EVO

[Goodtimes]

There is a 15 amp fuse in the panel in the toilet room. The rear fuse 5amp appears to be only for the bed room electric slides. Additionally I just had to replace the diode across the small terminals on the Trombetta. Once replaced diode, slideouts worked. 

[TommyL]

Ben, looked under cabinet D/S of mirrored closet ,pulled most drawers and floors that had screws. Searching under galley slide and return air wood grill,lots of wires going up to monitor panel ( mines on P/S ) no luck. It’s gotta be somewhere!

Paul, have a Trombetta  in engine bay with 125 amp fuse link and two small wires off bottom. No external diode, was yours internal? Maybe refresh my brain on its function? Thanks TommyL 

[Tom Cherry]

On 8/13/2024 at 5:03 PM, TommyL said:

08 camelot 43’tag P/S kitchen. Both front hydraulic slides failed at same time, hydraulic motor runs normal. Sounds to be under a load, thus still turning pump (maybe?). Both rear slides operating normally ( electric gear and cable driven ). Thus eliminating lockout failure ( maybe?). Manual says there’s a slide-room module beneath the far rear curbside cabinet with 5 amp fuse and 20 amp circuit breaker. I can’t find it !  99% sure control valves have lost power. Have checked all fuses ( I know of ). Any suggestions appreciated.Thanks TommyL 

OK....lets get back to SQUARE ONE.  The SLIDE CONTROL MODULE is for the REAR.  NADA to do with the FRONT. LOOK AT PRINT.

There is a DIODE Matrix behind the CONTROL PANEL.  It is ONLY from the Hydraulic FRONT slides.  It is a "THINGIE" or harness going from the FRONT slide switches to the FRONT.  The power for the BOTH switches (Front and Rear) is a function of the LOCKOUT.  If you have power and the REARS work....Lockout is OK.

If you hear the PUMP RUN, as in the Solenoid is energized and the slides don't work...then look at the print...The Solenoids are UP FRONT....NOT in the rear.  There are NO solenoids, just cylinders.

The print should be self explanatory.  The PUMP only runs one way... The two small wires go to the SOLENOID contacts.

There is an upfront connector.  It is available from LIPPERT.  You need to read the prints and follow the circuit.

DO A SEARCH.  LIPPERT SLIDE CAMELOT.  I posted a topic and also contributed to others.

There is a LOT of info....but you have to do the search and then start reading the past topics.

 

Living Slideouts.pdf

[96 EVO]

Yeah, I mentioned yesterday the module below the rear closet is only for the rear electric slides.

I would start by unplugging the hyd pump solenoids, one at a time, and trying to move your front slides after each move.

There is also a module (small black box), taped into the harness, about 10" from where the plugs go into the hyd pump solenoids.

If moisture gets in there, it can cause problems!

[TommyL]

Ok, thanks  to Paul and Ben I’m closer . 15 amp fuse in 1/2 bath behind plastic cover that says Intelletic was good so I ignored it . Pulled it and it killed the hydraulic motor,so maybe it supplies power to control valves. If so , it may be the short harness between coach and hydraulic motor. Ben you and someone else mentioned that in a post . Just have to go back through the 30 pages of post I read before I started this to repair . And yes mine has the small thingie on short harness at pump. Thanks 

[Goodtimes]

the wire labeled #2 is has the diode, which goes to lower small stud labeled A2. My pump would run but no slide movement, replaced diode, slides worked. The original diode was hard to see as it a small hump in the wire. Don't know if yours is the same.

[Tom Cherry]

PLEASE READ THESE... There is a discussion...as well the HISTORY of the Harness and also the other end of the system behind the control panel.  READ THEM ALL....you will learn...

When I did the search (LIPPERT SLIDE), I KNEW from memory of my posts and others...there were a LOT.  NOW....here they are. It surprised me and I have contributed to each....

BUT, As I scrolled down.  There is just about every troubleshooting step and FIX included.  There are schematics (I had them) on the Front Harness.  There is also a picture of the PCB behind the switches and also one sharp eyed member found a crack in the PCB and fixed it.

I am ALWAYS amazed at the expertise and ingenuity and the repairs of our members.

SO...YES....the list is long.  BUT if you scan, you will quickly see PICTURES of what is where...and schematics of the two sections...or the DIODE matrix and the upfront harness.

You should be good to go...after you recover from the reading.  Good Luck...

I did this because it was "easy...for me..." as I remembered all the Topics and used the SEARCH. 

THIS, for those that are concerned about the fact that we have a site rule for only ONE ISSUE or Problem per TOPIC is the REASON for ONE ISSUE PER TOPIC.  It clearly  demonstrates the POWER and the EASE of finding information.  HOW, if this problem had been one of the "Laundry List" items on a continuing SAGA of this broke then this and this and covers multiple, but unrelated issues....think how difficult getting GOOD TROUBLESHOOTING and TESTING and KNOWLEDGE would have been.

I think you'll isolate the bad actor and might be able to fix it....and Lippert has all the parts....and they are plug and play....