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Thanks Jim. I did make ramps for the rear. There was no way I was going under there without getting it higher off the ground. 

7 hours ago, Ivan K said:

I personally wouldn't worry when it comes to connectors on air valves, these should be waterproof anyway but potentially leaking air too. Just like oil pressure sensor might leak oil through its connector. I would direct the stream away from for instance sixpack connectors if unprotected. Stream is sometimes better for me than wide spray pattern as I can shoot it from a distance.

Thanks Ivan

1 hour ago, Jdw12345 said:

So are you saying that when your wife applies the service brakes with the parking brake released you hear the air leak?

 If so, you might have an air leak on the service side of the brake canister, there’s what’s called a pancake in the canister that can fail and leak when the service brakes are applied, sometimes a broken emergency spring can break and cause the leak.

 So, block the wheels so the coach can not roll, air up the coach and have your wife release the parking brake, wait for a minute and then have her set the parking brake, if you hear any type of clunking noise you possibly might have a broken spring on the emergency side of brake canister, if you hear anything other than air rushing through the brake lines there’s a chance of a bad or worn brake chamber.

 If you need to replace a brake canister get a complete canister, don’t purchase what’s called a “piggyback” that’s just the emergency side of the canister, I would stay away from less expensive brand canister’s, we’re talking about your brakes here!  MGM brand is possibly what’s on your coach and a very good brand, they should cost you about 150 bucks for a complete canister, they are available at any heavy duty truck dealers, Peterbilt, Kenworth, Freightliner, possibly NAPA etc. 

If you have a tag axle it’s possible that you could have a leaking pancake on the service brake on the tag axle, the tag axle does not have a emergency side to the canister, only a service side. The pancake is serviceable but can be kinda of a pain to deal with the clamp on it, but it’s certainly possible to do.

        

Now, if you are comfortable with changing the canister out, just google it and watch some videos, if not by all means take it to a trk shop and have them do it, it’s only about a 45 minute job to change out a brake canister. Make sure if you do the work that you get the air hoses back on the canister on the correct port, there’s two air lines going to each canister on the drive axle, one for the parking brake, ie emergency side, and one going to the service side. 
If you do have a bad break canister I would recommend changing out both of them, again, we’re talking about your brakes! You will have to back the brakes off manually to do this job and you’ll have to cut the 
 

 If you go to a parts house to purchase the parts they will most likely ask you what size you need, I’m 99% positive that you’ll need what’s called a 30-30 with a 2 1/2” stroke, it has to do with the size of the chambers and the stroke.

 

 I put a couple of links down below for reference. If you google a 30-30 brake canister you’ll be able to find all kinds for sale, anywhere from 45-50 bucks on up, the choice is yours. After making a living in the trucking business some things are not worth taking the cheapest route, brakes are not one of them, IMO.

 

 After all of that, it’s possibly you may only need to replace a brake line or fitting!

 If you changed out a brake valve I’m assuming you are not to afraid of working on your coach or have some degree of mechanical confidence!

One last item, if you change out your brake canister, by all means, do not get curious and cut the band that holds the canister together!  There’s a spring in there that is extremely dangerous!

https://www.fleetpride.com/parts/air-system/chambers/spring-brake-chamber/mgm-brakes-spring-brake-chamber-3430051?cclcl=en_US

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Thanks Jeff. 

I've sprayed soapy water on the brake cannisters and see no bubbling. I will test the parking brake to see if there are any noises from the chambers.  

My brake cannisters face outward. They compress the calipers. I've seen several videos where they connect to a level that is connected to the brakes. Mine aren't like that on the drive axel. 

I have a leak somewhere around the rear axels. I can hear it, but I'm having a hard time finding it. I'm going to spray bubble solution, but I don't want to mess up any electrical under there. I replaced the Relay Valve, but that wasn't this cause. The chambers aren't leaking. I've sprayed them with soapy water and no bubbles. 

It's a 2006 Beaver Patriot Thunder with Cat C-13.  

I've ran through the DOT test. I definitely have a leak when the air brake is off and the service brake is applied. It leaks very rapidly. I thought it was the Relay Valve so I replaced it, but nothing changed. While under the rig, my wife pressed the brakes and I can hear air running through lines, but it's like having my head in a bucket. The air noise seems to be bouncing off the under carriage. I want to spray the soapy solution, but I see a lot of electrical connects.  You help is appreciated. 

2 hours ago, amphi_sc said:

I guess your '06 is vastly different from my '07 built 09/06.  Here's what I find under the access panel by the steering wheel ... The Alladin,Kenwood, GPS, door/bay locks, etc

Thanks for sending pictures. My dash is different.  I wish my components were visible. I’m wondering if I need to remove the dash. 

1 hour ago, grizzly said:

In my Monaco Sig 07, all my Kenwood stuff is under the dash on passenger side accessible from on top of dash. There is an access panel that comes off with 2 screws

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Thanks for the image. I don’t have an access panel. Just the one removable panel in front of the steering wheel. 

19 minutes ago, Bill R said:

@jlynn37064Well I discovered that what I was assuming was the receiver in my over head cabinet is actually a speaker switcher for the surround sound system.  My apologies for misleading your search.  Hope you are successful in finding it.

No worries. Thanks for responding.

6 hours ago, amphi_sc said:

On my '07 Patriot Thunder (built 09/06), except for the CD changer, it is all on a wooden shelf accessed by the removable dash panel by the steering wheel.

BTW, I added some extra RCA cables to route the rear cam & and Sony sound system to the 2nd monitor on the right of the steering wheel, thus by pressing the source button on that monitor I can switch between GPS, rear camera, and Sony Theater USB music.  I also routed the Sony Theater audio as another audio source to the Kenwood system on the left of the steering wheel.  Thus I can route the Sony to the Kenwood speakers in addition to the Theater speakers.  That also gives be the ability to route the Sony sound to the bedroom speakers independent of the front.

 

Al, thanks for responding. I've found nothing on the driver's side. I've removed the access panel as well as laid on the floor and with a flashlight. I can see that the cable runs toward the passenger side, but I have access to that side. At least that I'm aware of. 

10 hours ago, Rikadoo said:

Thinking outside the box i know my HR has a powered subwoofer that sits under the table in a cabnit with a grate in the front of it, im sure it would require a amplifier, perhaps looking to see if there is similar equipment. 

Good idea, but no such luck. I have a subwoofer in the same location. I just searched that area and removed the false bottoms from the cabinets. There were lots of wires but no kenwood receiver. 

5 hours ago, Bill R said:

My 2006 Windsor has a speaker receiver/surround sound box in the overhead cabinet just above the driver's seat.  Is that what you are looking for?  I also have the Kenwood stereo CD/Radio/GPS.

Bill, the kenwood stereo has the head/monitor unit. That has a 20 pin connector that connects to a hidden receiver (per the manual) then the GPS and 10 disk changer connect to it.  The GPS and 10 disk changer are in the cabinet above the driver, but the connect to them is different than the 20 pin on the back of the stereo. I just can't find it.  

9 hours ago, Ivylog said:

08 Navigator’s is under the removal panel top of the dash drivers side.

Brian, I've searched under the driver's dash and it's not there. I have the removable panel, but I don't see it there. I've tried tracing the wire, but it is really hard to follow with the 1000 wires under that dash. 

9 hours ago, Chad A said:

I am a little older and a different model but all that stuff was in the dash in front of the passenger side. 
 

Access panel is on top of the dash. 

Chad, I've wondered if it is under the passenger dash, but I don't have an access panel. There are no screws in site on the passenger side. 

We just purchased a 2006 Beaver Patriot Thunder.  We have the popup Kenwood stereo monitor. Per the stereo manual, their is a hidden receiver in which the speakers connect. I also believe this is where the Aladdin system connects to the monitor. I can't locate this hidden receiver. I've thoroughly searched under the driver's side of the dash and don't see it. I don't see a way to access the underside of the passenger's side of the dash. Any suggestions as to where this hidden receiver could be installed? I'm also trying to locate the Aladdin box, but no luck yet. It could be next to this receiver. 

Thanks for assisting me.