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1 hour ago, Dr4Film said:
JD,
Yes, there are some electronics that really don't like MSW power. Luckily I have only found one device that I attempted to use that did not play nicely with my MSW Inverter. That was a 120 VAC remote power switch that I use to turn on the swag lamp I installed over our dinette table as Monaco decided not to put one in our Windsor. After destroying one already, I ordered an updated one and I now keep it plugged into a non-inverter driven duplex.
There are people who have burned up electric blankets, clocks, coffee pots, and other devices while using a MSW Inverter.
The Fisher-Paykel works great on MSW power as reported by others who have installed them. Do a search here to see what others have said. Also do a Google search to see what you can find on the Internet.
Also, here is a copy of the Trace Legend Inverter in case you don't have one.
http://www.xantrex.com/documents/Discontinued-Products/3178UX-L-TRevNew.pdf
Thanks for the link! We may decide to add a PSW inverter just for the fridge to be on the safe side.
1 hour ago, jacwjames said:Here is a link to the brochure for the Trace Legend 1, it is a MSW inverter.
http://static6.arrow.com/aropdfconversion/6dfa35d9217e1772ead3d2a6366ea8ec80646b2b/legendi.pdf
The Fisher Paykal is known to work with the MSW inverters. This has been a popular choice for people to upgrade to, although a bit pricey.
Yes, the Fisher-Pakel is pricey but it's the only one that will fit the hole. Yes, could have converted Norcold but so many people threw good money after bad that we decided this was best for us in the long run.
13 minutes ago, Ivan K said:We destroyed a brand new fancy coffee maker while running it on inverter. Realized the mistake and now use a simple one with no fancy electronics that we never cared for anyway.
That sucks about your coffee maker! What kind was it? We have a nespresso and never gave the power a thought!
Yeah, it's the fancy electronics in this fridge that I just don't want to mess with.
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2001 36' Monaco Diplomat
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Does anyone have this inverter? How do we know if it's a PSW or MSW? Reading about power for our new Fisher-Pakel residential fridge and might need to upgrade as we don't want to damage the electriconics in our $3500 fridge!
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30 minutes ago, Ivylog said:
Helped a friend (03 Sig) take a NoCold out the door without removing the chair or removing the door stop …2 people . Took 3 to bring a Samsung in…did cover the chair with some canvas to protect it.
My DH took our old Norcold out by himself while I was having my morning coffee!
On 6/8/2021 at 5:27 AM, pulsarjab said:After a trip to a RV salvage for a part, we have decided to replace the Norcold in our 2000 Diplomat. We were ushered through the lot in a golf cart driven by an employee. We saw a long row of burned out motor homes and that was enough for us. Many of the fires were refrigerator.
So, we have a Frigidaire waiting to be installed. Over the years the Norcold has had the main control card replaced, fans replaced, electric burners replaced, and thermostat replaced. On a recent trip to Florida, it operated, as usual, with 36 degrees in main area and it made and keep plenty of ice. If anyone is interested in parts I will make them available before throwing unit out.
I have followed this discussion for years. When the inverter failed, we replaced with a full sign wave inverter and our house batteries are new. The only time we run the frig on gas is when we are driving and occasional trips to Quartzsite or Oshkosh, so not worried about keeping things cold. Thanks to all who have contributed to this subject. I will try to document frig removal and install. It sits on top of the furnace so not a lot of room, but, this is not the first time it has been out of the hole, one heavy dude.
We're replacing our Norcold in our 01 Diplomat today!!!! I can't wait to take a trip with this new fridge that is way fancier than the one in my house. We considered Frigidaire but couldn't find a French door that was short enough.
On 6/8/2021 at 8:51 AM, Dennis H said:When selecting a replacement, especially if there's a furnace below, take into consideration the height of the shelves INSIDE the fridge. Ours had a drawer below the Norcold and DW wanted to 'save' it. However, when we decided on the Samsung, keeping the drawer would make the top shelves too high for her to comfortably get things in and out, so I opted to remove the drawer and lower the fridge. Life is easier when the wife is happy.... 😄....Dennis
I have a tall husband for this 🤣 we can keep his beer on the top shelf, right?! 🤭
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Update!
Today's the day! Our new Fisher-Pakel will be arriving soon. DH is still working on final preparations for putting it in.
The furnace was lowered about 1/2". We were able to do this just by flipping the frame that fits into the outside opening of the coach. There's a bit of a gap now, but it'll be fine. Future plans to redo the decals will solve the misalignment.
Inside, we were able to lower the fridge shelf/floor by 3". DH is using some steel we had on hand to make a support for a piece of aluminum he bought for the fridge to sit on. (Not finished yet). The gas line for the furnace has been shortened and repositioned (it was way longer than it needed to be. All has been reconnected and tested. 👍🏻
The air intake needs to be lowered, so DH is out getting a piece of oak veneer to cover the bottom of the wall. (He was going to use the checkerboard but I nixed that idea! 😊)
The electrical outlets have been repositioned. And we'll cut a foam insulation piece to block the vent to the outside.
While cleaning I noticed a burnt spot and wonder if we got lucky!
We now have a space of 33" by 68" for our new fridge that is 31-3/32 x 67 1/2"!
Oh, my DH removed the old fire hazard (doors removed) through the door by himself without having to remove all the coils from the back! 🤞🏻hope the new fridge goes in as easily!
I'll update again with pictures of the new fridge going in.
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Yes, that was me in the other forum too. Posted there before I discovered this group dedicated to Monaco owners.
Thanks for sharing your installs. I've studied several posts and don't know why we don't have as much room but we'll be back in the coach this evening with our thinking caps on...and I'll be checking to make sure my DH's tape measure isn't defective! 🤣
Total floor to ceiling is 77 3/4", furnace is 7" so we should have enough space for the 67 1/2" Fisher-Pakel. The furnace is going to be the tricky part as we have to have it as high as possible due to the exhaust.
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1 hour ago, vanwill52 said:
I will see what I have saved as pix.
I cannot speak to the conversion if you have a Dometic furnace below. The Suburban is the only one I have personal experience with. Both my 93 Dynasty and my present 2000 Dynasty had a Surburban furnace.
Would love to see pictures. Our Atwood furnace is only 7".
Does anyone know why they put carpet around the furnace? Any reason the shelf for the fridge needs to be wood? Hubby is thinking about aluminum.
The Fisher-Pakel is going to be a tight fit and I think it can work but we're not ordering until we know for sure. I hope it's available!
I'll post more pictures as we go.
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29 minutes ago, JDCrow said:
All about the space. To get rid of the propane tank would free up a huge bay for me
Makes sense if you don't have a gas range.
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The furnace is an Atwood.
The exterior access door is really close to the lower half (basement?) of the coach and not much room to move the vent on that door. Actually very little room with the hinges.
Inside pics with the furnace and the platform it was sitting on removed.
It all needs cleaning up but I honestly don't know what to do next.
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11 minutes ago, JDCrow said:
Been thinking Diesel heater down the road
Just had a quick look online...not replacing the furnace. $$$
On 5/31/2021 at 9:49 AM, vanwill52 said:If your furnace is a Suburban, that is a zero underclearance model. That is, the furnace is rated to sit directly onto combustible material. So, if it is sitting on 2x4's, you can remove them and place the furnace directly on the wooden floor. You must bore another hole in the side of the coach to reposition the inlet/exhaust lower. I covered the extra hole with a polished aluminum plate. Specs for the furnace call for just 1" clearance above. I welded a frame for the fridge to sit on.
On my 2000 Dynasty, these modifications allowed me to install an RF18 with only about 1/4" clearance to spare in height.
Do you have any pics?
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21 hours ago, Batmobile said:
We are so close to ordering this fridge...it's pricey but it will fit with virtually no mods.
Thanks, for the furnace info! Ours is actually sitting on carpet (which makes no sense to me)!
Okay so it's sitting on a wood platform surrounded by carpet we need to lower it just an inch or so to fit the Fisher-Pakel but will need to modify the outside access door. Don't know how we'll manage this yet as there isn't much ro to lower on the outside. 😔
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7 hours ago, Scotty Hutto said:
Ok, try this again, we updated the download to the new version that includes the text and pictures:
Downloaded but was "forbidden"
Things are really tight...even if we go Fisher-Pakel we need more height.
Just now, Batmobile said:Downloaded but was "forbidden"
Things are really tight...even if we go Fisher-Pakel we need more height.
I'm even thinking of looking for a newer lower profile furnace,...if there is such a thing.
12 minutes ago, Batmobile said:Downloaded but was "forbidden"
Things are really tight...even if we go Fisher-Pakel we need more height.
I'm even thinking of looking for a newer lower profile furnace,...if there is such a thing.
Okay, got it and see that Bob didn't need to lower his furnace at all. We need to. It would mean making modifications to the exterior access door.
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On 5/30/2021 at 2:32 PM, Scotty Hutto said:
Elaine & Clarence,
Download this pdf from our “downloads” section. It’s a great write-up from one of our members @Bob Nodine on lowering the floor above the furnace and installing a residential fridge.
I used this as my guide to install a Samsung RF18 fridge in my 2006 Diplomat. Also, @Steven P installed a GE counter depth fridge in his Diplomat that has ice and water in the door, and I think he used this as a guide also.
It can be done! I’m hoping someone with a 2001 Dip will chime in with their experience.
I downloaded, but just see pictures, no write up. Is that available somewhere?
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On 5/30/2021 at 2:32 PM, nyrngrz said:
I had this Fisher & Paykel residential installed a few years back without any modification. It was able to be brought in and the Norcold removed out the side door.
We are so close to ordering this fridge...it's pricey but it will fit with virtually no mods.
On 5/31/2021 at 9:49 AM, vanwill52 said:If your furnace is a Suburban, that is a zero underclearance model. That is, the furnace is rated to sit directly onto combustible material. So, if it is sitting on 2x4's, you can remove them and place the furnace directly on the wooden floor. You must bore another hole in the side of the coach to reposition the inlet/exhaust lower. I covered the extra hole with a polished aluminum plate. Specs for the furnace call for just 1" clearance above. I welded a frame for the fridge to sit on.
On my 2000 Dynasty, these modifications allowed me to install an RF18 with only about 1/4" clearance to spare in height.
Thanks, for the furnace info! Ours is actually sitting on carpet (which makes no sense to me)!
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11 minutes ago, Scotty Hutto said:
Elaine & Clarence,
Download this pdf from our “downloads” section. It’s a great write-up from one of our members @Bob Nodine on lowering the floor above the furnace and installing a residential fridge.
I used this as my guide to install a Samsung RF18 fridge in my 2006 Diplomat. Also, @Steven P installed a GE counter depth fridge in his Diplomat that has ice and water in the door, and I think he used this as a guide also.
It can be done! I’m hoping someone with a 2001 Dip will chime in with their experience.
Thanks! This forum has given me new hope!
We we're ready to take out the old Norcold this morning but stopped when we discovered the furnace was there thinking "darn, now what?".
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Thanks Robert. Seems the biggest challenge will be finding a fridge with the right specs as there's not much room for us to drop the floor very far. I'll check whirlpool!
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Hi!
So happy to find this forum!
We are planning to replace our non-working Norcold in our 01 Diplomat with a residential Samsung.
For those if you who also have the furnace below the fridge, how did you get the height you needed?
I don't want to remove the furnace. Can we reduce the room the furnace needs somehow?
Thanks in advance!
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Further to my original post, I've received a response from Fisher-Paykel. See attached.
Our PSW is on its way to us...(my Dad's contribution to our project). We'll add this inverter with a switch so we can switch from Inverter power to shore power.
Alternate Energy Generation.pdf