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1 minute ago, moxy1962 said:

It does yes 

Thank you, mine bounces just a bit, I'll mark it, exercise the pot and call it good.

I wonder if the Tach has a vari pot as well?

55 minutes ago, Chuck B 2004 Windsor said:

Yes on all three.  No one can determine your driving habits, and where you go.  I have found that the reminder is about as good as a raincoat in a bath tub.

Oh Great, the filter minder is worthless then...

Vacuum Gauge

I don't have a picture but I replaced with a beautiful loveseat that goes out into a full, its called a Lambert Harrison Hidabed 72" w/ Air Coil (Air Dream Mattress),  Fold Down Center, Ultra Leather and coloration almost exact. Not cheap $2465 (delivered to the door) and took a few months to deliver but entirely worth is to get rid of the crappy jack knife that was in there. I have no idea why Monaco even put those things in there, only  a 6yo could possibly sleep on it. Like others have said, because the slide is higher I made a couple furniture grade pieces of wood to fit under the lower half support bars when the bed is out to level it up.

I got it from a place called Dave & LJs RV Interior Design. Highly recommended, it was a good experience and exactly what I wanted. 

https://daveandljs.com/

1 hour ago, jacwjames said:

OK, but my HDKAH 7.5 is not listed either.  I don't see any of the 7.5 listed by name, which quite a few older coaches have. 

You best bet is to call Cummings tech and make sure, on your generator data tag is a "spec #" that's the number he wanted to verify compatibility.  Unfortunately mine is a Spec A so it is not.. 

23 minutes ago, Mark B said:

If you replaced the RV2012 with the Freedom 3012 and SCP. The auto start was part of the RV2012, The Freedom 3012 and SCP require the addition of the AGS to be added to the Zanbus network for the auto start of the gen set. There are many wires in the AGS for many functions but you only need a couple the rest aren't needed. Once the AGS is networked all the programing is done in the SCP. The SCP menu will populate when it sees the AGS in the network, otherwise you can't see it. My AGS is behind my inverter under the transfer switch. I ran a new network cable up front to the SCP but they do sell adapters so you can use the original network wire.

Nice clean install you have, looks great!!  I was a hot and bothered with wireless Cummings unit with so many features, but that dream is shattered so I'm back to the Xantrex.  The coach was retrofitted n it's past with a 3012 with an scp. So, I'm thinking thats the Xantrex  unit is simplest way.

19 hours ago, jacwjames said:

I think this is cheaper then what I paid for the EC30W unit ~10 years ago. 

With the Bluetooth and internet capability with notification it looks like it would solve a lot of peoples problems. 

The biggest problem I see is that I was hoping to sell mine eventually for a pretty good penny but with this as a viable alternative the price of mine just went down.

It may not be compatible with some of the older units, the compatibility chart is in the Operator Manual that you posted.

I had hoped the receptacle in the head was inverted, it is not. The next nearest receptacle is the one in the basement down below. I plugged the refrigerator into it and it runs just fine including the compressor. I just have to figure out how to get the wire up through the false ceiling in the wet bay  into the refrigerator bay.

I found the EC-30W but as I suspected, the control head long gone

On 10/30/2021 at 6:47 AM, FishAR said:

No, a local truck shop.

Generator wouldn't start. I changed the oil and filter, fuel filter, air cleaner. Still wouldn't start.

They said I had a leak in a fuel line. No fuel on the floor though so I guess it was sucking air? 

I was reading something today about holding the stop switch to stop for a few seconds to prime it after filter change.

Understood.  I'll bring the coach into the driveway tomorrow to do a service on the generator. Now that I'm a bit educated, I know what to look for. I'm pretty sure the master control isn't anywhere to be found., but I'll look in a couple non conspicuous places just to make sure. I'll get the serial and model number off the gen and call Cummins Monday to see if the new wireless system can be retrofitted.

Thanks again for taking the time to answer my questions.  The more and more I use the coach I can see a huge benefit to AGS. 

1 hour ago, Dr4Film said:

That device requires a Y-cable to be installed onto the harness located on the side of the generator. Then the wireless receiver is installed on the firewall above the generator. If you don't see the Y-cable or the receiver then it has been removed.

Thank you Doc for that answer. I should find the wired receiver on the firewall wired to the genset via a Y cable. The actual control is a wireless unit?  And could be long gone.

Edit:

I see Cummins sells a wireless unit.

https://shop.cummins.com/CSSNAStore/s/product/a2w4N000003sSghQAE/onan-ecags-diesel-application-kit-a065u740

Ok, I still need to look around the RV  paying close attention around the inverter and in the rear closet. Is there anywhere where this thing could be? As I went through my literature I found this manual.  Is the controller hard wired or does it plug in? I'm thinking I have a plug somewhere with no controller attached if it simply plugs in?

45 minutes ago, johncvandoren@gmail.com said:

My rig had a duplex outlet, with one socket wired from the breaker panel (for the ice maker), and the other wired from the inverter.  Check both with multimeter. If inverter socket is hot, use it, ignore the other.  You didn’t say what make/model inverter, so can’t tell you how or where to troubleshoot it.

I'm fairly sure there's no inverter power there, I will check with a meter before anything. If not, then I will plug in the fridge using an extension cord from the inverter receptacle in the head and verify the fridge will run from it. If so, I will drop the wire off that bathroom receptacle , (which I will verify has inverter power and is literally on the other side of the wall from the fridge). When I drop the wire off the GFI receptacle in the head, I'll pull a piece 12/3 down so I can hook the GFI back up and hook one of the outlets in the duplex receptacle for the fridge to the dropped wire, that way I'll have one receptacle inverter powered, the head receptacle will still be GFI and inverter powered as well. 

Well, I think I found the answer to my question. I have a book of schematics, I guess that receptacle doesn't get power from the inverter CB box. The only thing I can think of to correct the situation is to run a set of wires from the CB panel up to the refrigerator backside. I'm guessing this is like this because the original refrigerator ran off propane, I know this because the gas line is capped behind.

1 hour ago, Ivan K said:

Just for chuckle,  I carry a portable setup that got me wifi signal from distant ranger stations in complicated terrain with dead spots, it works.

Thank you Ivan, pretty fancy, so basically what your doing there is bringing in any parks Wi-Fi (Not mobile data) to a router and that's it. Correct? You run and extension cord out to the router and power it. In your example one could really fancy with it and mount the antenna on some type of tripod correct?

Hi Bob, I don't have the directional tv antenna, there's a stationary omni directional up there and way to rig this to work with that?

3 hours ago, David Pratt said:

Ok, I am stepping in here.

There has been to much MIS-INFORMATION and Confusing Information posted in the above threads.

Monaco started installing Residential Refrigerators in 2004 at the factory. Monaco also had the option on the Dynasty, Exec, Sig and Navigator to go all Electric and no Propane. They were using either TRACE or Zantrex model 2012 or 3012 MSW inverters. The Exec, Signature and Navigator also had the option of Dual Inverters. The standard Inverter was the Trace MSW and the option was PSW if you wanted it.

Every time some one posts about converting to a Residential Refrigerator the same discussions, Information and Mis-information is brought up. Do your research and read the MANUAL and Manufactures recommendations before installing the Refrigerator. Then ask question.

My 05 Exec has the Trace 3012MSW Inverter and a Whirlpool Residential Refrigerator. The Whirlpool has been operating just fine for the past Sixteen years on MSW with never an issue.

Samsung, Whirlpool, LG, Kenmore, Frigidaire, GE and Bosch and others  will all run on MSW Inverters with no issues. All these models consume less AMPs running on AC than the NOT-S-COLD does when running on AC.

The Coaches with Absorption Refer's have two AC outlets behind the Frig. One is connected direct to shore/generator power and the other is connected to the Inverter. When you install a Residential Refrigerator in your coach you should always plug the Refrigerator into the Inverter Outlet. The Inverter has a Pass Thru which allows the AC Current to pass directly into the coach when on Shore Power or with the Generator running and if the Inverter is on will allow the inverter to power up the coach when the shore Power is disconnected and/or generator is not running.

In the 16 years as Moderator and Owner of the Monacoers group I cannot remember anyone that had and issue with a residential refrigerator and the repair was turned down by the manufacturer because the refrigerator was in a coach or was operating on a MSW inverter.

If the Inverter is on and you are not connected to Shore power or have the Generator running you should have power to the Inverter AC outlet behind the Refrigerator.

Some of these old wives tales about residential refrigerator and MSW Inverters have been pounded to death for way to long.

Thank you David  and everyone else for your posts. 

Up to this point the only testing I have done was to move the refrigerator's plug from one receptacle to the other and check to see if the light is  on in the fridge while on inverter and of course, it is not. Lots of good information on this thread and I appreciate the time folks have taken to respond to my question. It seems to me the first thing I need to do is a proper test on the receptacle with a meter, easy enough. If there's power at one of the two receptacles while on inverter then its the fridge, if not, then its something up steam. Inverter, CBs, GFIs all of which are just a matter of digging in.

Not to change the course of the thread but as a point of reference, lately I've been digging into the transmission Allison MH3000,  as it hadn't had its 50k mile service, (changing of fluid and filters) that I know of,  and the coach has 55k miles. That is now finished and I have complete confidence, which is a good thing, I can move on. I've had the coach for about 2 years and I purchased it for a retirement gig, which is in 2-5 years. I've been slowly going through the different areas/systems I've identified as problem areas since I've owned it and working them over to a point of satisfaction to me.  I don't believe the coach was properly maintained or used over the course of its life. I find the more I use it, the better the systems function, i.e., it is not made for sitting around for too long.

4 hours ago, jacwjames said:

When I had problems with my inverter I called Xantrex tech support and explained my symptoms.  I subpected the inverter so I had disconnected from shore power to test circuits and had ohms across one of the circuits so I suspected a bad pass through relay.  The Xantrex tech said YUP its bad and said the pass through relay was obsolete and gave me the info on what inverter and other parts I'd need.

So I removed the Inverter and almost started to order the parts.  But I found the number of a Xantrex repair facility near me and called them.  Explained the same symptoms to the guy and he said that the readings were correct and probably nothing wrong with the inverter.  He told me what I could do to trouble shoot which worked.  I had to put the inverter back in and go through the steps and it worked.

So my lesson is to always get a second opinion before you waste a lot of time and $$$. 

Good Advice thank you!!

19 minutes ago, Ivan K said:

This is what you would need with the SCP.

That's the one I'm eyeballing, looks like it can be wired to thermo stats as well. And a circuit going to the remote switch at the dash board to control the start/stop function and monitor run/off via the light. . Also a back up to the hour meter to detect run/off.. I guess in case the bulb burns out in the switch.. One other thing I keep reading xantrex has great tech support.

1 hour ago, jacwjames said:

Do you not have a Inverter Display somewhere in the coach that shows you state of charge etc??? 

I do, it's mounted over the door. I've in that menu 100s of times,

nothing there about ags...

Edit: Interesting menu page from the scp manual

11 minutes ago, Ivylog said:

Doubt a 03 Patriot has a 3012 inverter unless it replaced a 2012 MSW inverter that likely came in a 03 rig.

No sir, it's a 3012, that being the case, most likely replaced... hey.. that rhymes..

6 hours ago, StephenW said:

On my 01 Dynasty I also have a RC7GS like the one Richard Smith posted a picture of but in my case the control is located in the rear upper cabinets near the breaker panels.

I will look around again with the brightest flashlight I have maybe I missed it, you guys have given me some good pointers, Thankyou

37 minutes ago, Ivylog said:

What about your 120V outlets and TV? If not, on the side of the inverter are 2, hard to find, push to reset breakers…one may be tripped.

120V motors do not run as efficiently on MSW power… often it’s the controller electronic that do not like the MSW.

Samsung work well on MSW power because the compressor runs on DC current, not AC.

The spec sheet for the 3012 calls it a "true sine wave inverter" which I believe is is the same as "pure"?  I actually am not completely sure which outlets are on inverter? I'm thinking I should go around and check?  I'm always powered by generator or shore power but, I would like to shut the gen down down while underway for the fuel savings and save wear and tear on the genset. I have been at the back side and checked those breakers before but not recently will check them.

29 minutes ago, David White said:

Does your inside breaker panel have a separate breaker marked refrigerator or ref inverter? If so double check that it is set correctly.

As far as I know there is only one CB for the refrigerator, I will poke my head in there and double check.

Thank you very much for all the great inputs!!  Its a great bunch of folks over here with a good deal of info, especially since it relates to our coaches specifically. I've had my coach for about 2 years and the learning curve it steep and expensive since the previous owners didn't maintain it correctly. 

I'm getting there a little bit at a time. 

3 hours ago, Frank Bergamo said:

Does anything else work on inverter? If not, check breaker on inverter.

The microwave/convection oven powers up on inverter.

3 hours ago, 59Chriscraft said:

That plug is not wired into the inverter circuit do to the drain on battery if you are off grid very long. I’m trying to figure out how to wire around that plug to be able to use the inverter while driving instead of running the generator.

I want know how to get it powered up too.

3 hours ago, Gary M said:

On my coach there were two receptacles. One for gen and shore and one on the inverter.

I've tried to power the refrigerator with both receptacles while in inverter, neither one will power it.

3 hours ago, Chuck B 2004 Windsor said:

You do NOT want to run a residential frig with a modified sine wave inverter.  Some members added a pure sine small inverter to run the residential frig on.

THIS,   so are you saying I need a small pour sine wave inverter behind the refrigerator just to power it?

44 minutes ago, Dr4Film said:

I have run my Samsung RF-197 residential fridge on a MSW Inverter for the past 9 years and it hasn't missed a beat.

Disclaimer - not all fridges will run OK on a MSW Inverter but they will run on a PSW Inverter.

The only two brands that I know will run fine using a MSW Inverter is Samsung and Fisher-Paykel.

Good info here, I'm going to run this one down.