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Ken & Dr4Film, Just swapped the 2 bedroom slide out switches. Big slide that had the problem went in and out one cycle without stopping. 🙂 Didn't try more times yet. Also, did in and out with small slide now that it has big slide switch. It too had no problems but not surprised if it is a faulty switch as the motor draws fewer amps and for a shorter period. At this point, looks like problem probably is the big slide out switch. I've ordered 2 new switches and already have a replacement resettable fuse on the way. Keep you posted. What would we all do without helping each other? Can't imagine how much time and effort, probably $ as well, if I had gone deep into trouble shooting before I might have found it to be the switch? Maybe, I'm jumping the gun until I do more cycles but having the successful operation this morning is a first in many years. Thank you both so much for taking the time to pass on your knowledge!! Gary K

Thanks Ken and Dr4Film for switch experience. Never considered that could be the problem. Too obvious, I suppose. 😁 I was able to find the exact same resettable fuse/cb online. It's one the way. Going to check the switch later today. Thanks!! Gary K

Many good points regarding slide out problem. Here are answers: Talin did check it out during first year of Pandemic shortly after I replaced motor. They added metal plates because rollers were digging into slide wood frame. Made any adjustments required. No stalling after metal plates install, however, a few times operating after departing, stalled again. Everything clean and properly lubed. Never operate slide without shore power and batt charge outputting above 13 VDC. When I say stalling, slide stops and motor stops. My belief is that the thermal fuse has deteriorated as most all breakers eventually do and needs to be replaced. Probably, relay as well as the points are likely burned causing a high resistance contact. Can anyone tell me, are the fuse and relay separate devices and where are thy located? Gary K

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Large bedroom slide out began to stop/stall about half way through both retraction and extension a long time ago. Was getting worse as time when on. I'd just wait a few seconds after it stalled then it would continue to full open or close. I replaced the motor a while back because it quit all together. Still have the same problems with it stalling. Now, much worse in that it stopped 4 times yesterday but did restart and eventually fully open/close. Probably, it's a resettable fuse getting weak or possibly the relay. Maybe they are one in the same? Before I spend a lot of time troubleshooting, I'm sure someone out there has the answer. Thanks in advance. Gary K 06 Windsor

Your problem with the thermostat is exactly what I found when researching reviews. One reviewer stated he had worked with Micro Air and was asked to post a review after being helped with a problem after initial purchase. Even with the M A help, there still were unresolved problems and the review was negative. Appears the bugs are not worked out. Quality is inconsistent as some users have problems and others do not. I'll be putting off a purchase. Gary K

Can you publish that site for all of us? Gary K I just did an extensive search for reviews on the Micro-Air and read them all. All users were disappointed and said it did not work as advertised and wasn't worth it. That included bad reviews about the app as well. Gary k

I've been running with a 7 lb cap for years on my ISL in the west and through mountains. Never a problem. Gary K

There are 2 motors available on Amazon. I went with the least expensive one for $336. It's the same one Talin RV (Chris T) uses. They put me on to it. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003D3IYMW?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2_dt_b_product_details The original motor supplied by Lippert does have the clutch built into the main gear in the motor assembly. I just installed the new motor built by AP Products in China. It does not have a clutch. I prefer this as it's one less thing to wear out as did mine. The motor simply stalls out when the slide reaches full travel in either direction. That's exactly what happens with my other slides. Gary K

Yes, it's Lippert. Gary K

OK, here's my story regarding the slide out. I was able to move it manually using a 3/8" socket wrench on the fitting clearly visible in my posted photo. It has a large pin through a hole in the shaft keeping it in place. It takes a lot of time to move the slide this way but it works and one must be patient. After I had it about half way in, I decided why not use a variable speed drill to make it quicker and easier. BIG MISTAKE! It moved quickly for some distance then the fitting sheared off the shaft! 😭 Turns out the hole drilled through the shaft to accommodate the large pin leaves very little of the shaft to absorb the torque of a drill. BTW, Dustin, tech at Talin, told me later it will happen every time a power drill used. So, now what. Slide half way in, shaft sheared so no way to move it manually! Then the fun began. Take the cover off the motor assembly, black unit with 4 Philips head screws shown in photo. The next part is too difficult to explain in detail but here's the end result. Was able to take the sheared shaft and weld on an extension then drill another hole for the locking pin (this time used a smaller diameter cotter pin to save more of the shaft), and replace the original 3/8" fitting for the manual wrench. Now, I could move the slide manually as before BUT using a socket wrench ONLY; no drill this time! What I discovered when taking the gear assemble apart is the reason the slide did not move electrically even though the motor did spin is a classic case and will happen to all of them. Only a matter of time. There are 2 gears under that cover. One metal and the other plastic of some sort. The teeth will shear off the plastic gear so then it does not engage the metal gear and the slide does not move. When hand cranking, these gears are not used because the slide gear drive that engages the geared track is being directly driven. See photo. When looking for a replacement motor assembly on Amazon this morning, I discovered a metal replacement gear for the plastic one for only $19. It would be an easy install and eliminate what happened to me and to everyone else eventually regarding the plastic gear failing. Here's the link: https://www.amazon.com/Lippert-Tuson-Slide-Venture-Motor/dp/B0833FN856/ref=pd_sbs_5/145-1627171-9225244?pd_rd_w=KBCHx&pf_rd_p=f8e24c42-8be0-4374-84aa-bb08fd897453&pf_rd_r=JH7B58AA2RB3CB9C1P3A&pd_rd_r=6cd221c1-e15e-4d8d-9f80-3fbb2508772f&pd_rd_wg=hthBr&pd_rd_i=B0833FN856&psc=1 I didn't go that route because I had another problem and that is the clutch slipping before the slide gets to the in and out limit of travel. Therefore, my clutch is worn and is a second problem. I did discover the clutch mechanism is part of the metal gear assembly. That is the ratcheting sound one hears at the travel limits. So, if I installed the metal gear replacement for the existing plastic, I'd still have a problem with the clutch slipping which would put me back in the original situation of slide not moving electrically, reliably. Next, was to find a replacement motor assembly. Chris T was good enough to return my call for help on Memorial Day. Typical of being a Marine, he passed it off to his tech, Dustin! 😂 Dustin called me within a short time on Memorial Day as well with some great info on the entire slide assembly. I was at their shop last Spring after traveling all the way from Phoenix to the Tampa area to have a significant amount of work done there. I did an extensive posting on my great experience with Chris, wife Ingrid, tech Dustin and his assistant. After leaving, I drove all the way back to Seattle, so 5000+ miles just to have them do the work! Dustin told me to check Amazon for a motor and sent me a pic of a replacement he has. Turns out there are 2 choices: Original Lippert unit, $522 or AP Products Chinese unit for $336. https://www.amazon.com/Lippert-125802-Tuson-High-Speed/dp/B00S2IC0NC/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=RV+Lippert+Tuson+Slide+Out+Venture+Motor+18%3A1&qid=1622582548&s=automotive&sr=1-2-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUFQMjNRUEFERzcyT1MmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA2MzM4ODExMzZWN1NPUUNURjdGJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA4MDg5NTczT1ZYT0xSUTZHSjMwJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ== https://www.amazon.com/AP-Products-014-125802-9000-Speed/dp/B003D3IYMW/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=AP+125802+Tuson+High+Speed+18%3A1+Slide-Out+Motor+9000+RPM&qid=1622582741&s=automotive&sr=1-1 The specs for both show that the AP product is not as heavy or as powerful as the Lippert one. However, when reading reviews, the AP unit seems to be satisfactory. From my conversation with Dustin, I believe they use the AP unit when needing a replacement. If I am wrong, I hope Chris T will see this and correct me. Accordingly, I order the AP unit this morning. Another consideration for this choice was the age of my coach; 2006. If the AP unit is not as reliable, I'll probably never know as certainly there are not another 16 years of coach life remaining. So, there you have the entire story. As is always the case with motorhomes, one becomes a reluctant expert on another system on a regular basis it seems, Yes? 😱 If I can be of any additional help to anyone, let me know here or by DM and I'll do my best. Gary K "Fly Navy"

Sounds like a problem for the Chaplain! Since when are there any Holidays for Marines? In the Navy everyday is the same. Always at the ready! You're getting soft. Enough of your sniveling! 😝😥

Sounds like a problem for the Chaplain! Since when are there any Holidays for Marines? In the Navy everyday is the same. Always at the ready! You're getting soft. Enough of your sniveling! 😝😥

To all who responded. Got slideout under control but long long story. I want to share with all of you because much learned about what to do and what not to do. I'll write detailed report as soon as possible. Thank you. Gary K

When the big slideout in the bedroom reaches it's travel limit going in or out, there is a ratcheting sound. This is normal. Clutch disengagement I'm presuming. Today, when attempting to move it in to travel, it began to move but there was the ratcheting sound which should not have occurred. It traveled a few inches and stopped. Then, I tried to move it back out. It moved ever so slightly with the same abnormal ratcheting sound and stopped again. My trouble shooting has found that the shear pin is fine. The motor and associated drive assembly are ok. Using a mirror, here is no obstruction where the gear engages the track. There is no obstruction to the movement of the slideout. In other words, it should be operating normally. I'm convinced the problem is the clutch is disengaging when it should not. This comes from more trouble shooting that I'm not detailing now for brevity. It makes sense that the clutch could weaken with time. However, I don't recall any discussions here about this in the past. I'm hoping there is a way to adjust the clutch without having to replace it? Of course, I needed to be on the road today because of appointments tomorrow and Wednesday. Stuck in the Phoenix heat! Need to get to the mountains! Thanks in advance for any help. Gary K 06' Windsor

Thank you all very much for your answers. Found what I needed to know. Gary K

Good point! Looking for 12 VDC power fuse. The other wires you mentioned are probably simply and extension of the same ones for the coach and are covered by their fuses.

Can't find the fuse for my trailer plugin socket. Found fuses for all the exterior lights, etc. in the electrical run bay under drivers seat. There is no other place to look that I can think of. Wondering if it is an inline fuse somewhere where it will be impossible to locate without someone pointing me in the right direction. Thanks in advance. Gary K 06' Windsor

John, you're welcome. Thanks! Awesome life for you! Raised my family, daughters were 3 & 5 at the time, on a 50' sailboat (Kettenburg) on the west coast. Was home for 10 years. Best days of our lives sailing San Diego to Glacier Bay, Alaska and off shore to the Queen Charlotte Islands. Moving into a motorhome was the natural thing to do and so much easier. 🙂 G

I started out enlisted (Boot Camp in San Diego, 1958) then qualified for the NAVCAD (Naval Aviation Cadet) Program. Went through flight training as a cadet. Received my commission and wings at the same time upon completion. Being ex-enlisted helped to make me a much better officer. Fly commercially when going places. My aircraft is just for fun and sightseeing. 🙂

Thank you, Ray. 🤭 Record? Don't know. 🤔 However, haven't met anyone whose been at it longer. My worst fear is that someday my body will go before my mind and I'll be forced to give up the lifestyle! This forum has made all the difference in being able to keep my 06 Windsor operating in top shape! Without all of you, it would have been sold or parked long ago. Thanks, Bill D for making a huge difference in my life!! Being a former Navy fighter pilot, it's mandatory that I give all the other services as much crap as possible, especially Air Force pilots! 😜 However, don't get in-between us because the mutual respect is strong! After all, we're on the same team, USA. We take care of each other when the chips are down. Bill is still taking care of me. So, great motivation for me to work hard at staying mentally and physically healthy so as to prolong that final day on the road as long as possible. 83 years old and so far it's all good. Winters in AZ, summers in northern ID living at airports flying my airplane with trips to Europe and Asia a few times each year as well. For me, doesn't get any better. 🙂

Two important items not mentioned so far. I've been full-timing for 26 years. Towed cars and various size trailers with 40' motorhomes. Presently, 40' coach with a 25' V-nose trailer so 65' overall. Your ability to get into and out of places, RV parks, etc., will be severely limited. Even though a park may tell you they can handle your length, maneuvering inside the park can bring a few unpleasant surprises. If you get stuck, it's not like having a car to disconnect and recover. No more stays in State parks, National Forest campgrounds, etc. for the most part. Of course, there are exceptions but very few. Changed my RV experience significantly when I began towing a long trailer. It's a trade off as are most things in life. The second issue is insurance. Yes, there are many rigs on the road that exceed the legal length and get away with it. However, as an attorney has written about numerous time on the The Escapees forum, one is risking serious potential problems. As I understand from these postings, when you purchase insurance, you agree to conform to the various laws that are applicable. Should you have an accident, even though it is not your fault, the other parties' attorney/insurance company will investigate all the circumstances involved looking for something you might have done that contributed to the accident. If you are in violation of any law, let's say the legal length for the locality, they can sue you. If they do, then your insurance company can refuse to defend you because you violated your policy by not complying with the law. In other words, you cannot expect an insurance company to defend you regardless of what you may have done. When I first read the attorney's explanation of such a situation, I had my motorhome registered in one State, I was licensed in another State and my home address was listed in a third State. I had even been stopped one time and the officer didn't object. However, if I had had an accident, then my insurance company could have refused to protect me. After reading that article, I immediately turned around, changed my summer travel plans, drove to Livingston, TX, joined The Escapees and made TX my legal domicile, got a TX driver's license and registered everything there as well. To be clear, I am NOT giving legal advice. I am simply repeating what an attorney specializing is this field stated. It was clear enough for me to change everything to TX. The reason my trailer is 25' and not longer is because 65' is pretty much the maximum legal length is most States but certainly not all. I'm not looking to begin a back and forth amateur legal discussion here that results in a verbal brawl. Of course, anyone is free to say most anything here but I certainly hope this does not get ugly as it seems to do at times. I'm sure there are many members who can tell stories about all the things they have gotten away with over the years. I hope this posting does not generate such responses. My intent is simply to provide information as I understand it relative to this subject and the law. I am not a lawyer and might be wrong. There are times I do not post a response to something because there is way too much disrespect that results when some one is simply trying to get some information or state their opinion. If there are any attorneys versed in the subject reading this, then their knowledge certainly would be helpful. Gary K

I just tried as well. VIN didn't work; however, go the Heavy Duty Vehicle section and enter by vehicle type, Brand, etc. Found my 06 Windsor with hose and other information. Gary K

Replaced all 8 on my 06 Windsor about a year ago. Purchased from https://www.truckandtrailer.parts/ They know a lot about Monaco. Excellent folks. Gary K

Darren A, After watching the video this morning, I tore into it on my 06 Windsor and now it works perfectly but best of all, I understand the mechanism and can repair again if needed. My door was on the verge of failing so this came at the perfect time! Without the video, could never have done it so efficiently or possibly not at all! Many thanks!! Gary K