2002 Windsor Generator slide issues. Need help

[Wayne Thomas]

I took my 02 Monaco Windsor to DMV when I got there my gen slide was out one inch try to retract it with dash switch and fuse box switch no luck but I could extend it keep hitting the fuse box switch and after a while got it to retract no leaks is there a relay somewhere 

[jacwjames]

You do have a slide control (at least I do) in the same bay, mine is located on the lower left side.  It is the same slide controller that is used for my other slides and it looks like this https://rvpartsexpress.com/product/kib-slide-out-control-board-kibsoc1020awd/

Can you hear the pump run when you press the switch in either direction?? 

My generator slide is a Power Gear.  See attached info

I sometimes have the same problem and have done different thing to try and fix.  I believe the culprit is the lock valve which in the block located on the end of the cylinder.  The pump is reversible, which is what allows for the IN/OUT of the slide.  There are two hose going to the cylinder, the valve block they attach to has an internal lock valve which prevents the slide from moving in or out!!! 

In the past I've taken the cylinder apart and completely cleaned.  Removed the block and cleaned.  I've found the lock valve stuck and had to use air to blow it out (covering the block with a rag as the air pushed the lock valve out at high speed when it lets loose).  Do not damage the lock valve.  At one point ~10 years ago I even bought a new lock valve, which helped but didn't completely solve the problem.  I paid ~$75, current price is ~$350 https://store.lci1.com/assembly-valve-090-1149-365324 

 

On my last trip at one point the slide wouldn't move when I had just stopped the rig so it was hot.  The next morning it worked fine.

One thing I try and remember to do is when I put the slide the slide back in I hold the button for a couple seconds, this my purge the lock valve and any trash in the system. 

Generator Slide Lock Valve.pdf Power Gear Generator Slide Manual 82-S0298-00.pdf

Edited November 9, 2023 by jacwjames

[Tom Cherry]

14 minutes ago, Wayne Thomas said:

I took my 02 Monaco Windsor to DMV when I got there my gen slide was out one inch try to retract it with dash switch and fuse box switch no luck but I could extend it keep hitting the fuse box switch and after a while got it to retract no leaks is there a relay somewhere 

Typically, when a slide, especially the “trouble prone” early Windsor genny slide, starts to creep, the hydraulic valves need to be cleaned.  This was called “The Monaco Teflon phase”.  There were shards of Teflon tape that would lodge or contaminate the valves.  Even folks with a low DIY index pulled them apart and flushed the body and ports and cleared up the issue.  Drifting is a sign that valve didn’t seal or close, thereby “locking” the fluid so that the cylinder wouldn’t move.

Second, don’t quite understand your “hitting” the fuse box.  There is a print in your manual on the system.  There is a control circuit, memory here, that has to have the parking brake set and also a microswitch working. 

Jim just posted a more detailed description.  @jacwjames, could you post or edit and include the print and controller.  Hitting or banging on electronics is dangerous.

Jim is a great resource.  However, my memory of the Windsor owners fix, was only a periodic “let’s clean the valve”.  He has gone further, however if the Teflon shard contamination was more widespread, then obviously you need to address the cylinder instead of just the valve.

@Wayne Thomas, you might want to PM or reach out to Jim for a one-on-one explanation and also learn how the hydraulic as well as control circuit works. I have helped folks on the circuit when I had the print “pulled up”….but all my prints are in my laptop and I often respond from my IPad like today.  Be very careful with a hammer or whatever and “striking” boxes or unidentified components as many on your MH are no longer available and used ones are scarce.  Having to find a tech that can order a “similar generic one”, then fully understand the original control’s function and then modifying the generic one….is risky and expensive.  It has been done.  We have many here that have done it.  But misdiagnosis and the actions taken have resulted in a simple fix turning into a mega $$ event.  This comment is NOT an admonishment of you or such, but is a general statement to all members of the risks in using unconventional techniques when not 100% sure of how a system works.  From time to time, we need to make if…..and do.

Jim will be a great help.  Really good guy.

 

[jacwjames]

Here is a schematic of the slide controller but not really  enough info on how to trouble shoot easily.  NOTE>> when you open the PDF it will be blurry, hit CTRL5 and it will clear right up.

There is a fuse in front drivers side electrical bay that is a Slide Out Disable but if the rest of the slides are working that's not the problem.  The slide will not operate if the ignition is on so if you were trying to operate it with the key on that might have been your problem.

I believe there may be a fuse right at the pump, which is located behind the passenger side front head light, accessed by opening the slide (ironic).

There is a 5 amp fuse on the slide controller I mentioned in my first post, I've never had that fuse blow on the generator slide controller but have had the one on the LR & BR slide blow. 

You could swap controllers to see if that is your problem, pretty easy, unplug the wiring harness, remove the 4 screws that mount it and swap with the other controller if they are the same.  I have 2 slides.

 

2002_Windsor_wiring_diagrams Generator slide controller.pdf

Edited November 9, 2023 by jacwjames

[Guest Ray Davis]

49 minutes ago, Tom Cherry said:

Second, don’t quite understand your “hitting” the fuse box.

He probably was refering to the gen slide switch in his front elect bay, mine is sort of in a box, and hitting it may have been pushing the sw repeatedly.

[Chuck B 2004 Windsor]

One needs to remember that in 2002/3 Monaco made several different Windsor's on different chassis'.  That was determined by where the Windsor was assembled, in Elkhart or Coburg.  One size does not fit all.  Chuck B

[jacwjames]

15 minutes ago, Chuck B 2004 Windsor said:

One needs to remember that in 2002/3 Monaco made several different Windsor's on different chassis'.  That was determined by where the Windsor was assembled, in Elkhart or Coburg.  One size does not fit all.  Chuck B

Yup, I've made the mistake of assuming and you know what that means

[Chuck B 2004 Windsor]

That was over a decade ago.  Not many of us are still around to try to give the correct information.  Chuck B

[Wayne Thomas]

9 hours ago, Tom Cherry said:

Typically, when a slide, especially the “trouble prone” early Windsor genny slide, starts to creep, the hydraulic valves need to be cleaned.  This was called “The Monaco Teflon phase”.  There were shards of Teflon tape that would lodge or contaminate the valves.  Even folks with a low DIY index pulled them apart and flushed the body and ports and cleared up the issue.  Drifting is a sign that valve didn’t seal or close, thereby “locking” the fluid so that the cylinder wouldn’t move.

Second, don’t quite understand your “hitting” the fuse box.  There is a print in your manual on the system.  There is a control circuit, memory here, that has to have the parking brake set and also a microswitch working. 

Jim just posted a more detailed description.  @jacwjames, could you post or edit and include the print and controller.  Hitting or banging on electronics is dangerous.

Jim is a great resource.  However, my memory of the Windsor owners fix, was only a periodic “let’s clean the valve”.  He has gone further, however if the Teflon shard contamination was more widespread, then obviously you need to address the cylinder instead of just the valve.

@Wayne Thomas, you might want to PM or reach out to Jim for a one-on-one explanation and also learn how the hydraulic as well as control circuit works. I have helped folks on the circuit when I had the print “pulled up”….but all my prints are in my laptop and I often respond from my IPad like today.  Be very careful with a hammer or whatever and “striking” boxes or unidentified components as many on your MH are no longer available and used ones are scarce.  Having to find a tech that can order a “similar generic one”, then fully understand the original control’s function and then modifying the generic one….is risky and expensive.  It has been done.  We have many here that have done it.  But misdiagnosis and the actions taken have resulted in a simple fix turning into a mega $$ event.  This comment is NOT an admonishment of you or such, but is a general statement to all members of the risks in using unconventional techniques when not 100% sure of how a system works.  From time to time, we need to make if…..and do.

Jim will be a great help.  Really good guy.

 

My switch is in the front driver side of the Rv electrical box I was pressing it from in to out several times then it started inward I did hear the pump

[Ivan K]

I guess the question is whether your 2002 model (HWH?) has a slide controller or not. Our system does not and unlike the room slide, I can pull the genny slide back in even when driving. I know because I had that problem when I had a leak. The only reason my pump would not always run for the generator would be a bad switch or the motor relay.

[jacwjames]

My slide is Power Gear and it does have a slide controller which has the IGN Disable relay. 

[jacwjames]

Wayne

If you were pushing the switch and the pump wasn't coming on it might be a loose connection on the pump and/or the harness on the slide controller.   If you hear the pump running there probably isn't anything wrong with the controller, it is probably the locking valve that is sticking. 

If you don't hear the pump running it may be a connector issue.  There is one harness on the slide controller, you might pull it off and inspect to see if there is any signs of corrosion, clean it and maybe use some dielectric grease on it.  I checked on my rig and there is not a fuse at the pump so it is only protected by the fuse/circuit breaker on the control board,  You might pull those and just make sure the are seated good.

There is only a two wire connector at the pump, you may try to clean it also. 

 

 

 

[Wayne Thomas]

23 minutes ago, jacwjames said:

Wayne

If you were pushing the switch and the pump wasn't coming on it might be a loose connection on the pump and/or the harness on the slide controller.   If you hear the pump running there probably isn't anything wrong with the controller, it is probably the locking valve that is sticking. 

If you don't hear the pump running it may be a connector issue.  There is one harness on the slide controller, you might pull it off and inspect to see if there is any signs of corrosion, clean it and maybe use some dielectric grease on it.  I checked on my rig and there is not a fuse at the pump so it is only protected by the fuse/circuit breaker on the control board,  You might pull those and just make sure the are seated good.

There is only a two wire connector at the pump, you may try to clean it also. 

 

 

 

Thanks James I’ll check it out 

[Wayne Thomas]

On 11/10/2023 at 9:39 AM, Wayne Thomas said:

Thanks James I’ll check it out 

I checked the relays if I’m correct there are four in the forward chassis bay switch the two bottom ones got it to go out stopped it 3/4 of the way out then brought it in came in a little slower then I extended it all the way would not come so I had my wife hold the button in while I pushed it in it started in and then it was on its own but still sluggish all plug ends have no signs of corrosion 

[jacwjames]

One thing you can try is taking the slide controller from the rear passenger side electrical compartment and moving it to the generator slide.  Easy to do, just the one wiring connector and 4 screws to remove the controller. 

If you switch them and you still have the same symptoms then there's something else going on. 

If it solves the problem then there is something wrong with the controller.  You could buy a relay and replace one by one with the new one and see if there is a relay causing the problem.  The controller is still available if you can't identify a problem with it, I provided a link in my first post.

 

I was having trouble with my bedroom & living room slides and swapped out the controllers just eliminate that as a possible cause. 

[Wayne Thomas]

On 11/9/2023 at 8:16 AM, jacwjames said:

You do have a slide control (at least I do) in the same bay, mine is located on the lower left side.  It is the same slide controller that is used for my other slides and it looks like this https://rvpartsexpress.com/product/kib-slide-out-control-board-kibsoc1020awd/

Can you hear the pump run when you press the switch in either direction?? 

My generator slide is a Power Gear.  See attached info

I sometimes have the same problem and have done different thing to try and fix.  I believe the culprit is the lock valve which in the block located on the end of the cylinder.  The pump is reversible, which is what allows for the IN/OUT of the slide.  There are two hose going to the cylinder, the valve block they attach to has an internal lock valve which prevents the slide from moving in or out!!! 

In the past I've taken the cylinder apart and completely cleaned.  Removed the block and cleaned.  I've found the lock valve stuck and had to use air to blow it out (covering the block with a rag as the air pushed the lock valve out at high speed when it lets loose).  Do not damage the lock valve.  At one point ~10 years ago I even bought a new lock valve, which helped but didn't completely solve the problem.  I paid ~$75, current price is ~$350 https://store.lci1.com/assembly-valve-090-1149-365324 

 

On my last trip at one point the slide wouldn't move when I had just stopped the rig so it was hot.  The next morning it worked fine.

One thing I try and remember to do is when I put the slide the slide back in I hold the button for a couple seconds, this my purge the lock valve and any trash in the system. 

Generator Slide Lock Valve.pdf 116.3 kB · 12 downloads Power Gear Generator Slide Manual 82-S0298-00.pdf 144.6 kB · 12 downloads

Thanks Jim I held the switch in for a few  seconds after it closed works fine now I down loaded your links for future use thank you

[jacwjames]

FWIW,

Even today I still have trouble with mine occasionally.  This is usually after driving and the rig is hot, not sure why it happens but it does.  So I make sure to check oil etc when it's cold.

But  I carry a large socket and swivel adapter that I can use to remove the nut on the end of the stem if the slide doesn't work. 

Happened to me while parked at the Sandia Casino in NM.  I made a mistake and had too many amps pulling on the generator (AC, Toaster Oven, Microwave) and the darn generator breaker tripped.  OK, no problem, I'll just flip the breaker.  So went to open the slide and it didn't work.  So had to remove the nut to pull the slide out.  Not that big of deal but it gave the folks driving a big Newell something to think about as I pulled out my tools and crawled under the rig. 

Edited November 20, 2023 by jacwjames