Jump to content

Monacoers Daily News

Welcome to Bill D's Monacoers' Daily News for  *|date|*

To view this on the web click here: *|weblink|*.  To respond to a post, click on the post title to be taken to that topic on the website.

Please do not reply to this message. You must visit the forum to reply.

Hello Guest

Here's what the Monacoers have been talking about:
 

Index


08 dynasty thermostat issue
vipeboy2000
Deadbolt
birdshill123
08 dynasty thermostat issue
MyronTruex
Thoughts on a 2013 Ford F 150 Platinum Ecoboost
dennis.mcdonaugh
Deadbolt
jacwjames
08 dynasty thermostat issue
vipeboy2000
08 dynasty thermostat issue
MyronTruex
ISM Performance
Venturer
Deadbolt
Twomed
ISM Performance
JDCrow
Deadbolt
birdshill123
Deadbolt
Barry W
To install coolant shut off valves or not?
georgecederholm
Deadbolt
birdshill123
ISM Performance
Gary Cole
08 dynasty thermostat issue
Tom Cherry
ISM Performance
Paul J A
ISM Performance
JDCrow
Step slide will not open.
Tom Miller
Slide goes out crooked
johncvandoren@gmail.com
08 dynasty thermostat issue
vipeboy2000
Heater Core or AC Evaporator Issues?
jacwjames
08 dynasty thermostat issue
Tom Cherry
Slide goes out crooked
Ivan K
Step slide will not open.
Frank McElroy
Step slide will not open.
Frank McElroy
ISM Exhaust Manifold
Indydyne
ISM Exhaust Manifold
BradHend
ISM Exhaust Manifold
Ivan K
ISM Performance
Venturer
ISM Exhaust Manifold
Indydyne
Step slide will not open.
Doug and Nicki
Electric power reel worn out
Dave Shackelford
ISM Exhaust Manifold
BradHend
Electric power reel worn out
Rick Rutel
Slide goes out crooked
johncvandoren@gmail.com
08 dynasty thermostat issue
MyronTruex
Slide goes out crooked
Ivan K
Electric power reel worn out
Warren B
Electric power reel worn out
windsorbill06
ISM Performance
Paul J A
Electric power reel worn out
Dave Shackelford
Grease caps
Spirit5js
Slide goes out crooked
johncvandoren@gmail.com
ISM Exhaust Manifold
Jdw12345

Discussions


08 dynasty thermostat issue
vipeboy2000

Thanks! I will check all that. Mine is the single thermostat.  I checked all the fuses in my bedroom closet and those are all fine.  Zero power to the thermostat . So I'm thinking I royally messed up the main control board in the front ac when I removed it to check/fix the phone connector port.  As after that, is when I got no power to the thermostat at all. Will update as I troubleshoot.  Thank you for the diagram. 

Also, would switching off the main battery cutoffs at my batteries cut off the 12v to the ac ? That plus disconnect from shore power should make sure things aren't hot right? 


Thoughts on a 2013 Ford F 150 Platinum Ecoboost
jacwjames
9 hours ago, StephenW said:

 

I like all the room in the back seat area for traveling with our German Shepards.

Good luck!

Ya, my wife's Anatolian Shepard would like the room😅

So you haven't had any major mechanical problems, how many miles on the truck?

Thanks


Deadbolt
birdshill123

Bob. My problem is with the deadbolt. An entrance lever lock uses a spring loaded bolt

 Not the same

 I went to that website and did not find anything

 However I am going to visit a few of the warehouses that supply commercial locks. Might find something. Thanks

.


08 dynasty thermostat issue
MyronTruex

Just chased a problem on my Penguins.

As a test, take your thermostat in hand and go to the front AC, inside. There you should find the two phone type plugs with a coupler on each of them.

One goes to the thermostat, the other goes down the line to the next AC unit.

Unplug both of them, mark them if you think necessary. Then plug the thermostat into the one that is supposed to go down the line. You might not be able to tell which is which, so while you have both disconnected, connect your thermostat to one then the other.

The thermostat should light up if you have voltage coming down from the AC unit board.

The two dangling cables are basically identical, or parallel if you wish to think of them that way.

If the thermostat does not light up, go to the AC unit and measure the DC voltage on that three amp fuse. You can use the metal of the area around the housing for the ground of your meter.

You can actually start before that measurement by checking your DC input from inside the RV. The connector should be dangling from that bundle of wires the phone wires live in. Mine has a Molex connector. Should be the red and black wires.

IF you do not have DC voltage there, you must find the source as mentioned already. Mine is F16 on a fuse panel in my closet. It would be easy to overlook it.

Be sure you use a voltmeter or a test light on both sides of the fuse there. Check all of them if you do not have DC at the molex plug. It is easy to misread labeling and seems common to not have things diagrammed perfectly. 

One phone cable runs the DC and the control signals down the line to the next AC unit, where it is then paralleled to the next one  if you have a third one.

Learning as I went, I thought  the second AC unit would have 12 volts from the fuse panel and would run without the first AC unit online. My mistake, the thermostat would not light up and there was no voltage on the 3 amp fuse in the AC unit. 

There was a pair of wires with 12 volts on them but they did not power the same pins on the molex connector. I suspect this power is needed to send power to the heater when called for. 

In an emergency, I would have borrowed power from those wires and powered the Red and Black wires and connected my thermostat directly to see if the single unit would come alive.

Being fortunate enough to have my 5 button thermostat and my new Micro Air thermostat gave me some confidence and capabilities for troubleshooting. 

My problem happened the day we were going on a five day trip, using a hotel fortunately this time. So the problem was there when we got back. The front AC unit was running fine after replacing the three amp fuse that I had blown. 

Why I know about how the DC is applied is mostly due to shooting myself in the foot. After fifty years of diagnosing things both of my feet have been shot many times over. I really should get a purple heart. 

My thoughts were an intermittent coupler or  broken wire at the edge of the RJ plug, or a touchy connection. I tried to re-crimp the connector and things went downhill from there. The thermostat went dead, as in no light up on either thermostat. Hence, the blown 3 amp fuse and bandages on my feet. 

I'm fortunate enough to have cable testing tools and a really neat "break out box". This break out box connects the wires from the RJ Jack to flat pins where my voltmeter was able to test for the 12 volts that needs to go on down the line. I have other tools as well and  could have listened to the control signal but using the simple tester, all wires appeared ok.

While traveling I had a cable on order to allow me to test things along the way as well as bypass the thermostat control cable completely. I will provide a link for that cable. It is critical when you make a cable, or replace a connector, that you get the wires in the correct pins. It is very easy to reverse the things. The diagrams are in the manuals.

I use a high power magnifier and headlamp combination to inspect every connection. The RJ tester tells the whole story quickly and will show any reversed or pins that are not in their proper place. 

I hope I made this simple enough and is not "Clear as mud". 

My plans are to draw this up in a simple block diagram after recovering from the trip. Guess I better get to it today. There is a simple block diagram in the manuals but it does not go far enough into the weeds and the troubleshooting portion does not suggest using the thermostat right at the AC unit either. 

If you do not see DC voltages as described, you need to take the board out again and use a magnyfing glass to inspect all circuit traces. A tiny crack is hard to see so use a bright light and look closely. 

With the spare cable I'm posting a link to, you can go  directly on the roof and plug right into the RJ jack thus bypassing the cables inside. 

As usual, Toms' explanation is far more elegant than my simplistic approach, but hope my recent excursion helps add to the resolution. 

 

Amazon.com_ 25ft Heavy Duty RJ12 Silver Satin 6 Conductor 6P_6C Straight Wired Telephone Line Cord by Corpco _ Electronics.pdf

2012 LaPalma 32sbd Lithium Upgrade
JDPenn

Thank you for your very thorough recommendations.

Victron equipment is highly rated, although expensive. There are many alternatives now such as EG4. I like some of the newer all in one units now coming out.

I already have some equipment on my travel trailer that I can reuse possibly, a Renogy DC DC charger, a 4000 Giandel inverter, lots of various gauge welding wire, a Victron Smart BMV712 which I love the Bluetooth monitoring, etc. I won't be reusing the 4 Valence lithium batteries but will upgrade to newer batteries, or the 4 Rich 190 solar panels, or the 2 EP Ever solar controllers.

I plan on phasing in the installs a piece at a time.

1. Get a new AGM chassis battery 

2. Get 1 or 2 new heated, or low temp cutoff lithiums to replace the 2 house batteries under the steps.

3. Figure out how to disconnect the chassis, house boost function.

4. Get a PD lithium replacement for the WFCO converter charger.

5. Add the dcdc charger and 712 shunt.

That will be the initial install. After that, I'll consider a separate lithium install to run the AC side of the coach, and eventually solar.

There's a YouTube and site out there called 5112 by Mike Mas that has the AC, DC systems separated, very interesting approach.

Anyhow, thank you so much for taking the time to reply to my post and for your recommendations.

JD

2012 Monaco LaPalma 32SBD gasser

 


Thoughts on a 2013 Ford F 150 Platinum Ecoboost
dennis.mcdonaugh
16 hours ago, Mike H said:

I've towed both a 2012 and now a 2019 both with the Eco boost engine BUT they HAVE to be 4x4's.  After 2019 or 2020 they started doing some funky things with the towing set up procedure.  Setting it up to be towed disconnects everything so no milage is recorded.

My 2017 doesn’t record mileage when towed. 


Deadbolt
jacwjames

Can you post a picture of the part that is broke?


08 dynasty thermostat issue
vipeboy2000

Thanks.  Mine has a molex as well.  It does seem that I'm not getting 12 v to the 3amp fuse in the unit.  I'll check the pins in the molex next.  Will any rj12 phone cable work to test the thermostat directly at the unit? And how can you tell which port is the one for the thermostat.  Both of them go into that sheathed bundle so I can't tell. 


08 dynasty thermostat issue
MyronTruex

AC air conditioner block diagram.pdfThe ports are parallel, that is they should be identical. There is no where I can find in my diagrams that have much information. I just did some testing with the breakout box and determined there was voltage on two pins on both of the cables.

My previous post suggest disconnecting both of the RJ cables to do the test directly at the AC unit. There is likely a coupler that connects the short cable from the AC to the thermostat and one to the next AC unit. You should be able to connect to the cable that drops down from the AC unit without even buying a test cable. 

DO NOT grab or buy just any cable. You need to look closely at the diagrams of the pinouts. Holding the connectors next to each other with the locking pin on the bottom the wires should go to the same pins.

There are cables that could easily switch the positive and negative and blow a fuse. The data pins probably don't care but it is possible they are not allowed to be reversed. 

The amazon picture shows the connectors side by side if you can zoom in very close as a reference. 


ISM Performance
Venturer

We just completed our first long trip in our new to us and first Monaco.  2200 miles back to WI for the summer in 5 days. Our previous coach was a 2013 Allegro Bus with the 450 ISL Cummins engine. The difference in performance is significant even though the Monaco is 1000# heavier. Total weight with my Avalanche tagging along was 48,000#. I drove at 63 mph and averaged 7.2 mpg for the trip. I am very happy with that especially fighting a strong cross wind through NM, TX, and OK. At that speed, the 1450 rpm was just above peak torque. It didn't downshift on many of the hills where the 450 ISL would have. The boost would peak out @ 42 psi and just hang in there to the top. It did downshift on some of the steeper long hills in Missouri. The engine and transmission never got to 200 degrees even on the longest hill in 85 degree OAT. Of the seven motorhomes we have owned in the last 25 years, this is the first Monaco and first ISM. We couldn't be happier. Well,,,,,,,,, maybe the ISX or the Detroit engines might have been better, but I'll just make do with this one.  


Thoughts on a 2013 Ford F 150 Platinum Ecoboost
StephenW

The truck has 69,000 miles on the odometer with maybe 3,000 miles being towed.  No major mechanical issues, just routine maintenance.  

IMG_0173.thumb.jpeg.ab31eaf826f8827fc9bfa07d9fffeee7.jpeg


Thoughts on a 2013 Ford F 150 Platinum Ecoboost
StephenW

The truck has 69,000 miles on the odometer with maybe 3,000 miles being towed.  No major mechanical issues, just routine maintenance.  

IMG_0173.thumb.jpeg.ab31eaf826f8827fc9bfa07d9fffeee7.jpeg


Thoughts on a 2013 Ford F 150 Platinum Ecoboost
jacwjames
10 minutes ago, StephenW said:

The truck has 69,000 miles on the odometer with maybe 3,000 miles being towed.  No major mechanical issues, just routine maintenance.  

IMG_0173.thumb.jpeg.ab31eaf826f8827fc9bfa07d9fffeee7.jpeg

The coach and truck looked so pretty you had to post twice👍


Deadbolt
Twomed

Funny thing happened on the way to the forum Caesar... came home from a wedding late last weekend to a lock cylinder that the key just turned, nothing happened.  11:30...dark but got out the drill and drilled out the cylinder until I could open with a screwdriver.

Yep after extensive searching lock is no longer available.  ODD non standard bolt throw.  I got a Schlage BN60 and have modified/mated the bolt from the old lock and finishing install this morning.  I did take pics because this is going to be a problem for others someday too....will post later.


ISM Performance
JDCrow

I’ve heard the ISM was a great engine. Sounds like you agree! Congrats on your new coach. 


Deadbolt
birdshill123

20240503_093425.thumb.jpg.9dcc782bf15d3601e6cdf0fd047c72d5.jpgHere are a few pictures. The bolt attaches to a20240503_093347.thumb.jpg.cc7da588e074f3c680b07efaf9ca9679.jpg tube.There is a slot in the tube has opened up

 I can fix that. But the plastic bushings are worn.


Deadbolt
Barry W
43 minutes ago, birdshill123 said:

20240503_093425.thumb.jpg.9dcc782bf15d3601e6cdf0fd047c72d5.jpgHere are a few pictures. The bolt attaches to a20240503_093347.thumb.jpg.cc7da588e074f3c680b07efaf9ca9679.jpg tube.There is a slot in the tube has opened up

 I can fix that. But the plastic bushings are worn.

List of salvage yards parting out Monacos:

https://www.monacoers.org/topic/769-rv-salvage-yards/


To install coolant shut off valves or not?
georgecederholm

As mentioned above, when I replaced the Aqua-Hot I installed brass in-line ball valves in both heater hose lines to the furnace. Since I was already deep into that bay, I located them right near the Aqua-Hot. If I had the luxury of more time to think more broadly, I might have put the valves closer to the engine. As an aside, I also installed small ball valves in the supply and return fuel lines to the furnace, just in case.


Deadbolt
birdshill123

Bob. My problem is with the deadbolt. An entrance lever lock uses a spring loaded bolt

 Not the same

 I went to that website and did not find anything

 However I am going to visit a few of the warehouses that supply commercial locks. Might find something. Thanks

.


Thoughts on a 2013 Ford F 150 Platinum Ecoboost
StephenW

Thanks Jim J, I’m not sure what I did to make the post duplicate. I thought I only hit the submit button once but my fat fingers might have missed the mark?  


Monacoers Website Reminder - Hidden or Deleted posts
SUCHESTOM
On 5/1/2024 at 8:04 AM, Scotty Hutto said:

Just a reminder that while we let most discussions run their natural course here on Monacoers, the owners, administrators, and moderators reserve the right to remove or hide any post that goes against site rules, including advice that *might* cause others (particularly newer, less experienced members) to endanger themselves.

This is extremely rare, but when the collective group who run the site have discussed it and agree, we will remove a post.  Very rarely will we remove a post based on one person’s opinion (we may hide it until we discuss it as a group); the four of us talk almost daily (some of us more often)

Thank you for your understanding and support on this issue. 
 

Dave Pratt
Scotty Hutto 
Frank McElroy
Tom Cherry 

You do an excellent job.   Thanks for all your work.


ISM Performance
Gary Cole

Congratulations Doug.

NM crosswinds. Know those well. 

I've never been satisfied with the performance of my ISL 400. Trucks with similar horsepower go by me like I'm parked. I understand that they are larger displacement engines with more torque. I don't know why Cummins phased out the very reliable ISM. Seems like the perfect displacement for a midrange engine. 


08 dynasty thermostat issue
Tom Cherry
5 hours ago, vipeboy2000 said:

Thanks.  Mine has a molex as well.  It does seem that I'm not getting 12 v to the 3amp fuse in the unit.  I'll check the pins in the molex next.  Will any rj12 phone cable work to test the thermostat directly at the unit? And how can you tell which port is the one for the thermostat.  Both of them go into that sheathed bundle so I can't tell. 

Followup….

First, you will have to go to the drawings and MAYBE start looking at the Pins and the “input” and output side.

@Frank McElroy is our expert on the Dynasty….he has a 2008.  PM HIM.  Odds are he KNOWS exactly which fuse provides the power 

NOW….Myron has given you a lot of help.  BUT….your question is a little “higher level”.

The system, per Dometic design, is configured or “designed” for ONLY one 12 VDC point.  To state another way.  For each group or “section”….you only need ONE of the Control Modules…..wihich is on the Dometic breakdown as “AC Board” or something like that.  BUT, Monaco, chose to run a hard 12 VDC power line to every HVAC Unit.  That is a HARD AND FAST RULE. If I understand your problem…you have no 12 VDC to the front….that is a SINGLE control or single UNIT.  

NOW the rear is a little different…..read and UNDERSTAND this.  The 12 VDC to the front AC is the same “feed” or FUSED  circuit as the rear.  Your rear is a bit tricky.  12 VDC goes to the Rear (Zone 1) and Middle (Zone 2).  BUT THEN…Monaco broke their LOGIC or maybe CHEATED.  There is a Hidden, standalone AC Board buried….it does NOT, per Frank’s digging, a SEPARATE 12 VDC.  It works as ….HEY, here is my Data Communications cable….it gives me 12 VDC on ONE Pair.  I get my Digital MPX command signal from the OTHER Pair.

From a practical or troubleshooting plan, this is HOW I’d DO IT.

Does the REAR Thermostat have Power?  YES….YEA! I didn”t blow the house FUSE….and I know the issue is in the FRONT…

if NO!…the Thermostat is dead.  STOP any further chasing and FIND the HVAC fuse.  It IS on the House Board.

Also, since Myron is an advocate of simplicity…..start reading page 105…it has all I just, in both posts, said and explans howeach zone works.  IT IS NOT a trouble shooting guide….but unless you know the basics….as Myron does…his issues and such and his innate knowledge may not be adequate to help you.

NEXT UP…read section 8.  BUT, the Dynasty does NOT have the “panel” labels in the manual  if yours is missing, all the labels are shown in the print. BE AWARE…you may NOT have an HVAC FUSE LABEL.  My HVAC fuse is labeled “SATELLITE”.  No WHERE is that also shown as HVAC….except in the prints.

NEXT UP.  Here is what I would do….and this ASSUMES that you have found the fuse and have POWER to the rear Thermostat…..BTW…this answers the “HOW TO TEST”.  Look in the trouble Shooting guide….or download the manual for your unit,  towards the back there is section on “how to wire and install”.  Find the Ground and PLUS 12 VDC to the “AC Board”.  I THINK…and wager that the pins or the RJ connector leads, are on the print.  So…VOM on continuity…..use the GROUND connection and then check each of the 4 Pins.  THEN do the same for the 12 VDC…those two PINS are the power.  Members hace pinned out the RJ many  times before.  Think you messed yours up?  Go to the roof and pull the cover off the rear.  Pin out all 4 leads….then see if you have the same upfront. If you fried the board…then the Data Cable will not work.  You CAN swap boards or move the thermostat…..as Myron did.  

BTW….the leads are INTERCHANGEABLE.  The Data cable can come into the Zone 1 rear….to the Thermostat….and the other one goes to the Zone 2.  You can SWAP the cables.  Domietic did that for ease of installation….the Controller is basically a “Parallel” connection….so the two dangling RJ’s will work on either cable,

That’s the way….from knowing the system and helping at least 50 - 100 folks, like yourself, troubleshoot….once you have the basics of how it works,,,,testing is easy.

Good Luck…

 


ISM Performance
Paul J A

Doug; You have a perfect Weight/Horsepower ratio Coach. The ISM or Detroit DD60 are 2 of the best.

A few simple changes to the intake and exhaust components will make a significant improvement to the performance and fuel consumption. 


ISM Performance
JDCrow
2 hours ago, Gary Cole said:

Congratulations Doug.

NM crosswinds. Know those well. 

I've never been satisfied with the performance of my ISL 400. Trucks with similar horsepower go by me like I'm parked. I understand that they are larger displacement engines with more torque. I don't know why Cummins phased out the very reliable ISM. Seems like the perfect displacement for a midrange engine. 

Probably was a victim of emissions. 


To install coolant shut off valves or not?
DZZippy

Thanks for all the ideas and info


Step slide will not open.
Tom Miller

On a 2009 Monaco Signature Commander the step slide will not retract.  It appears a switch module adjacent to the passenger seat may have failed.

Does anyone have input on accessing part for 2009 unit?

I have been unsuccessful.

 

thanks,

Tom Miller

706-669-2363


Thoughts on a 2013 Ford F 150 Platinum Ecoboost
cbr046

@Mike H, @StephenW - did you disable the steering wheel lock on your Fords?  If so, how did you accomplish that?

- bob

 


Slide goes out crooked
johncvandoren@gmail.com

My 25’ road side super slide goes out crooked, in that the rear moves first, with the front lagging behind 5-6”.  $500 later, two shops & one mobile mechanic have just topped off the fluid and said nothing else to be done.  What say you?


08 dynasty thermostat issue
vipeboy2000
1 hour ago, Tom Cherry said:

Followup….

First, you will have to go to the drawings and MAYBE start looking at the Pins and the “input” and output side.

@Frank McElroy is our expert on the Dynasty….he has a 2008.  PM HIM.  Odds are he KNOWS exactly which fuse provides the power 

NOW….Myron has given you a lot of help.  BUT….your question is a little “higher level”.

The system, per Dometic design, is configured or “designed” for ONLY one 12 VDC point.  To state another way.  For each group or “section”….you only need ONE of the Control Modules…..wihich is on the Dometic breakdown as “AC Board” or something like that.  BUT, Monaco, chose to run a hard 12 VDC power line to every HVAC Unit.  That is a HARD AND FAST RULE. If I understand your problem…you have no 12 VDC to the front….that is a SINGLE control or single UNIT.  

NOW the rear is a little different…..read and UNDERSTAND this.  The 12 VDC to the front AC is the same “feed” or FUSED  circuit as the rear.  Your rear is a bit tricky.  12 VDC goes to the Rear (Zone 1) and Middle (Zone 2).  BUT THEN…Monaco broke their LOGIC or maybe CHEATED.  There is a Hidden, standalone AC Board buried….it does NOT, per Frank’s digging, a SEPARATE 12 VDC.  It works as ….HEY, here is my Data Communications cable….it gives me 12 VDC on ONE Pair.  I get my Digital MPX command signal from the OTHER Pair.

From a practical or troubleshooting plan, this is HOW I’d DO IT.

Does the REAR Thermostat have Power?  YES….YEA! I didn”t blow the house FUSE….and I know the issue is in the FRONT…

if NO!…the Thermostat is dead.  STOP any further chasing and FIND the HVAC fuse.  It IS on the House Board.

Also, since Myron is an advocate of simplicity…..start reading page 105…it has all I just, in both posts, said and explans howeach zone works.  IT IS NOT a trouble shooting guide….but unless you know the basics….as Myron does…his issues and such and his innate knowledge may not be adequate to help you.

NEXT UP…read section 8.  BUT, the Dynasty does NOT have the “panel” labels in the manual  if yours is missing, all the labels are shown in the print. BE AWARE…you may NOT have an HVAC FUSE LABEL.  My HVAC fuse is labeled “SATELLITE”.  No WHERE is that also shown as HVAC….except in the prints.

NEXT UP.  Here is what I would do….and this ASSUMES that you have found the fuse and have POWER to the rear Thermostat…..BTW…this answers the “HOW TO TEST”.  Look in the trouble Shooting guide….or download the manual for your unit,  towards the back there is section on “how to wire and install”.  Find the Ground and PLUS 12 VDC to the “AC Board”.  I THINK…and wager that the pins or the RJ connector leads, are on the print.  So…VOM on continuity…..use the GROUND connection and then check each of the 4 Pins.  THEN do the same for the 12 VDC…those two PINS are the power.  Members hace pinned out the RJ many  times before.  Think you messed yours up?  Go to the roof and pull the cover off the rear.  Pin out all 4 leads….then see if you have the same upfront. If you fried the board…then the Data Cable will not work.  You CAN swap boards or move the thermostat…..as Myron did.  

BTW….the leads are INTERCHANGEABLE.  The Data cable can come into the Zone 1 rear….to the Thermostat….and the other one goes to the Zone 2.  You can SWAP the cables.  Domietic did that for ease of installation….the Controller is basically a “Parallel” connection….so the two dangling RJ’s will work on either cable,

That’s the way….from knowing the system and helping at least 50 - 100 folks, like yourself, troubleshoot….once you have the basics of how it works,,,,testing is easy.

Good Luck…

 

Thanks! So there is a hidden rear thermostat? or are you saying on yours there is.. My single thermostat controls all 4 zones in ours. I believe i found the a/c control fuse, tied in with my bedroom ceiling fan and doorbell.. that fuse and all the other fuses are fine in my bedroom wardrobe panel, FRB and RRB. 

Good to know that the connections for the data /therm cables don't really matter. Thanks!

So I  THINK I have narrowed it down to either damaged front board or somehow the thermostat... I will check power going to the board either tonight or tomorrow.. Have downloaded and read and will re-read all those troubleshooting documents many many times as I go through each item this weekend. I do have one control board and a new Micro air thermostat on order as well to cover my bases (hopefully they arrive soon) 


Thanks guys so much. 


Heater Core or AC Evaporator Issues?
LakeBob

I was experiencing leaking from the bottom of the AC/Heater core box attached to the firewall of the coach.  

See below, the rust that has developed  on the firewall where the AC/Heat box attaches.

I noticed a drip after a days travel last fall when we had to use chassis heat one morning. 

 

Heater/AC evap box removed: 

IMG_1998.JPG.b7f395ceafb26e874f6dfa9c67d80bca.JPG

 IMG_1992.JPG.7f6fb5614132742cba1800e3f79dfd0b.JPG

 

IMG_1996.JPG.437bf33108cc4dcef1a381dda1c9871d.JPG

IMG_1997.JPG.18d9d848388f5b3b06ddc103dcd623a4.JPG

I pulled the heater core, plugged one side and applied pressure, 25 psig, and no leaks were evident. The core released pressure when I removed the air.  I was expecting to see something in the area below.  The only rusty area on the entire core. 

I increased pressure to 35 psig and experienced the same result. 

What kind of pressures does this system operate at during normal conditions?   I wondering where else this leak could be coming from?

Should I increase pressure and test again?

IMG_2002.JPG.8ca25e23272ab22c3c84a8afb9dcb6e1.JPG

The AC seems to drain well, I notice the drips on the pavement when that system is running, so I doubt this rust is caused from the AC evaporating.  

From the date code this appears to be the original heater core.  Someone has been in here before; new hardware and broken box flanges were found. 

Thanks!!


Thoughts on a 2013 Ford F 150 Platinum Ecoboost
Mike H
30 minutes ago, cbr046 said:

@Mike H, @StephenW - did you disable the steering wheel lock on your Fords?  If so, how did you accomplish that?

- bob

 

On my 2019 the procedure is as follows:

  1. Press the START button without starting the engine
  2. Shift to NEUTRAL
  3. Press and HOLD the brake pedal then rotate the 4x4 control knob five times from 2 wheel to 4 wheel drive
  4. Message shows up on the dash display saying "Vehicle is now ready for towing"
  5. Press the START button again without starting the engine
  6. Be prepared to select which security alarm mode you desire

You should really check you owner's manual, especially for the newer models, because Ford changed that procedure on the new trucks.


Thoughts on a 2013 Ford F 150 Platinum Ecoboost
jacwjames

Here are the instructions from the manual for a 2013 model year.

1. Turn the ignition to the on position. Do not start the engine.
2. Press and hold the brake pedal.
3. Shift the 4WD switch to 2H.
4. Shift the transmission to position N.
5. Rotate the 4WD switch from 2H to 4L and back to 2H five times
within seven seconds.
• If completed successfully, the information display shows
NEUTRAL TOW LEAVE IN N or NEUTRAL TOW ENABLED
LEAVE TRANSMISSION IN NEUTRAL. This indicates that
your vehicle is safe to tow with all wheels on the ground.
• If you do not see the message in the display, you must perform
the procedure again from the beginning.
• You may hear an audible noise as the transfer case shifts into its
neutral position. This is normal.
6. Leave the transmission in position N and turn the ignition as far as it
will go toward the off position (it will not turn fully off when the
transmission is in position N. You must leave the key in the ignition
while towing. To lock and unlock your vehicle,
use the keyless entry
keypad or extra set of keys.
7. Release the brake pedal

So key stays in ignition with it turned all the way off. 

 


Heater Core or AC Evaporator Issues?
jacwjames

Check your manual, there should be a section on the pressure to charge the AC system. 

Not sure what the heater core sees for pressure.


08 dynasty thermostat issue
Tom Cherry
48 minutes ago, vipeboy2000 said:

Thanks! So there is a hidden rear thermostat? or are you saying on yours there is.. My single thermostat controls all 4 zones in ours. I believe i found the a/c control fuse, tied in with my bedroom ceiling fan and doorbell.. that fuse and all the other fuses are fine in my bedroom wardrobe panel, FRB and RRB. 

Good to know that the connections for the data /therm cables don't really matter. Thanks!

So I  THINK I have narrowed it down to either damaged front board or somehow the thermostat... I will check power going to the board either tonight or tomorrow.. Have downloaded and read and will re-read all those troubleshooting documents many many times as I go through each item this weekend. I do have one control board and a new Micro air thermostat on order as well to cover my bases (hopefully they arrive soon) 


Thanks guys so much. 

Too much verbiage….  My fault.  Each system is unique.  The manual shows TWO thermostats.  OK….you got ONE.

SO…simple.  Data cable starts at the Thermostat. Runs to the front.  Then, presumably to the middle.  It MAY loop down into that rabbit hole called Zone 4….then back to the Bedroom.  The HIDDEN device is a Standalone Controller. There is NO HIDDEN THERMOSTAT….just a BURIED Controlled. There will be THREE “wall” or under counter “REMOTE TEMPERATURE SENSORS.  The front Thermostat is USUALLY the one for the front.  Now JUST TO DRIVE YOU CRAZY….SOME Patriot Thunders ( a Dynasty Clone)….actually had an UP FRONT remote temp sensor….so the MAIN Thermostat got a reading from each one.

OK….now be ready to learn SOME MORE.

If you call Dometic and say….HELP ME….it don’t work….then tell them you do NOT have a complete Dometic system….as in the OEM 5 Button Thermostat….they will say.  Sorry…..we only offer help for a Dometic system.

Call MicroAir….tell them NO WORK.  Sorry, we do NOT know or provide help on a NON FUNCTIONAL Dometic control system.  Your existing Dometic system MUST be functional.  YES… I called and asked….  We have had Members that had a MicroAir.  One unit failed.  The MicroAir folks said….send back (still under warranty).  The member was sharp enough and followed the help here.  OPPS.  He had a FAILED controller.

NOW, that you have given out MORE information….I would proceed as follows.

Remove the Thermostat.  You’re gonna replace it anyway or maybe NOT.  ASSUMING you have power to the fuse….and we don’t know that.  Here is the way.

Go UP TOP….rear UNIT.  Follow the wiring.  Find the INCOMING 12 VDC.  MEASURE and VERIFY that you have 12 VDC there.  Then unplug, downstairs, both cables.  Mark the mating ones if you want….does NOT matter.

Then….Plug in the Thermostat to any of the two CONTROLLER cables (NOT the ones connecting the zones.  NOW reset the Thermostat per instructions.  If it WORKS…..NOT A THERMOSTAT issue. 

OK….keep going.  Pull the control unit out,  take it to the front. Take a picture of the DIP switches….and set the REAR ONE just like the Front.  Go downstairs.  Plug in the Thermostat like in the rear.  If it works….bad controller. IF NOT….something is wrong in the AC unit…and if you can’t figure it out….call or get a tech.

You have to isolate which component is bad….and until you do the above, you are guessing as well as getting frustrated.

Texted you and will help off line

 

r


Slide goes out crooked
Ivan K

Has every one of them had to top it off? Is the front side also behind the same when retracting? And what type of hydraulic system is it, assuming it has a synchronizing cylinder?


Step slide will not open.
Frank McElroy

Are the labels lit up on the switch module rockers?  If not, press and hold the Dimmer + rocker to make them brighter.  If all the rocker labels light, then the switch module is likely good.  If the switch module does not light up, send me a PM (I can repair Eaton multiplex dash switch modules).

If the switch module does light up, check the step cover fuse and associated relays in the FRB (Front Run Bay) below the driver's seat. (By step slide, I'm assuming you mean step slide cover.)

27000652_B Vehicle Cabin PCB.pdf


Heater Core or AC Evaporator Issues?
Ivan K

Heater core pressure should not exceed the engine radiator cap rating. You would likely know it it was coolant leaking. Leaky evaporator would be nasty oily. Condensation is a nature of beast.


Heater Core or AC Evaporator Issues?
LakeBob

Thanks guys, I'm confident the AC evaporator is good, the AC works well and holds pressue, just had it serviced last September.  

Im just surprised I didnt see an obvious leak with the heater core.   I may be a little low on test pressure, I'll check the cap and see if there's any info. 

 


Heater Core or AC Evaporator Issues?
Ivan K

The cap will be half or less of your test pressure unless stuck and you would be likely having other leaks at that point 


Step slide will not open.
Frank McElroy

The 20 amp fuse labeled SCER (step cover extend retract), relays SCE (step cover extend) and SCR (step cover retract) are circled in red and are on the large PCB in the FRB.

Replacement for Panasonic Pop out radio
JerryC

Reviving this old topic. My new to me 02 Sig has a four piece Panasonic system, which I’m working to RIP. I’ve already replaced the old see vision with a completely separate camera system. Challenge, This system has a display screen unit and a nav unit in the front dash with a CD changer in an overhead cabinet. It also has a control unit… somewhere. In a place I haven’t found yet. The control unit appears to be amp and is what the speakers are wired to some need to find it. Any ideas on where it may be hidden would be greatly appreciated.

ISM Exhaust Manifold
Indydyne

My number 6 cylinder exhaust manifold is leaking at the head. I have a 3 piece exhaust manifold. Is it possible to remove the number 6 manifold and leave the rest installed?


ISM Exhaust Manifold
BradHend

Looked at your manifold specs, I’d say no.  
If you’re able to get the bolts out of 5 & 6, it’s quite possible to remove that piece without too much trouble if things are in okay condition.  Biggest challenge might actually be getting the manifold off the other section without damaging anything and without loosening the other bolts, then at that point you might as well replace all the gaskets. 

Looking more it appears there are manifolds on the ISM with a single manifold for 1&6 that connect to a four port manifold for 2345.  Is that what your setup is?

I now shutter at the thought of exhaust manifolds and consequential damage on my rig.  Done that tap dance the hard way, hope to never have to do it again. 😂


ISM Exhaust Manifold
Ivan K
10 minutes ago, Indydyne said:

My number 6 cylinder exhaust manifold is leaking at the head. I have a 3 piece exhaust manifold. Is it possible to remove the number 6 manifold and leave the rest installed?

Interesting idea but I doubt it could be wiggled out without loosening all the manifold bolts. Once you have enough space to rotate it a bit, it should come out. It is a machined fit, will depend on the rust but mine was pretty clean in that area.

But then again, once you get the bolts loose and slide the manifold away far enough to just replace the gasket, that would be the way to do it. It is an approved method and #6 is the easiest to clean the old gasket remnants. Don't drop them in the holes.


ISM Performance
Venturer
4 hours ago, Paul J A said:

Doug; You have a perfect Weight/Horsepower ratio Coach. The ISM or Detroit DD60 are 2 of the best.

A few simple changes to the intake and exhaust components will make a significant improvement to the performance and fuel consumption. 

The big muffler has been removed and replaced with a short straight through resonator.  I always run with the jake on low, so I need to be a bit careful slowing when coming into towns. It does bark a bit when climbing long grades. I haven't done anything to the intake, however, I will address that if and when a problem occurs with it. The EGR function has been eliminated with the Ugly Fix. Overall, the engine is responsive and seems to like to run.


ISM Exhaust Manifold
Indydyne

BradHend,

I do in fact have a single horn for 1, a four port section for 2345, and another single horn for 6.  I am hopeful that I can loosen the two bolts for 6 and start the wiggle dance to remove.  All other ports are thankfully not leaking. 


Step slide will not open.
Doug and Nicki

On my 2008 Dynasty, I found corrosion in a connector under the step. I can’t recall which connector it was. That is worth a look before buying parts you may not need. 


Electric power reel worn out
Dave Shackelford

I have a 2005 Camelot 40 pdq and my power reel broke today. Too worn out to fix. Any suggestions as to where and what brand I should buy ? It's an old Shoreline reel by TDI products. Model RV5036. Can't find another one like it.

thanks,

Dave


ISM Exhaust Manifold
BradHend

Well in that case, if you can indeed get those bolts out, I’d try it.  It will be tight though. Taper fit and really no way of getting much wiggle.  
when I was trying to separate my two piece, I fashioned up a slide hammer of sorts which eventually did work.  Huge PITA mind you.  Not a lot of room in there.  


Electric power reel worn out
Rick Rutel

Dave, we have an ‘08 Monaco Camelot 42pdq.  This past summer, we had a heck of a time trying to find an electrical fault in which power was not being distributed correctly.  Of all things, it turned out to be the reel.  Inside the reel are electronics that seem to be problematic. In researching the reels and rather often issues with them, we took it out.  The wires from the exterior of the reel are easily spliced.  Yes it is a bit annoying to have to place the power cord back into the coach, but the peace of mind is worth the extra five minutes.  You might find a used replacement at an rv salvage. 
Good luck.


Thoughts on a 2013 Ford F 150 Platinum Ecoboost
dennis.mcdonaugh
4 hours ago, cbr046 said:

@Mike H, @StephenW - did you disable the steering wheel lock on your Fords?  If so, how did you accomplish that?

- bob

 

That's not an explicit part of the tow setup, but one of the steps probably accomplishes that task.


Replacement for Panasonic Pop out radio
Ivan K

You seem to be looking for this box. Pretty good size, maybe 10"x6" or so. Mine was behind the center console, with probably 10+lbs of rolled up cables attached to it. All the speaker connections were in one large connector.

Replacement for Panasonic Pop out radio
JerryC

Reviving this old topic. My new to me 02 Sig has a four piece Panasonic system, which I’m working to RIP. I’ve already replaced the old see vision with a completely separate camera system. Challenge, This system has a display screen unit and a nav unit in the front dash with a CD changer in an overhead cabinet. It also has a control unit… somewhere. In a place I haven’t found yet. The control unit appears to be amp and is what the speakers are wired to some need to find it. Any ideas on where it may be hidden would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Ivan! I looked there and found a speaker, the block for the see vision thing that no longer exists and only floor.it looks like there could be room behind the drawer that seems to be in a metal box or maybe behind the entire console. How far did you have to disassemble?


Slide goes out crooked
johncvandoren@gmail.com

Well, the first two shops charged me to do so, but I didn’t see what they did—or did not do. The independent tech just checked & said it was OK.  Of course, it did not malfunction then, but did next day.  No, it retracts evenly.  What I’d like to know is if there is some sort of shuttle or equalizing valve that can be adjusted.

2006 Knight 40DFD


08 dynasty thermostat issue
MyronTruex

Remember, just because a fuse looks good, you need to measure voltage on each end while it is in circuit. Check your bedroom fuse panel with a voltmeter.

I discussed my two unit system. The front is the zone 1 on mine. There is 12 volts fed to the molex pin on it. There is NOT 12 volts fed to the rear molex plug on AC zone 2.  There is 12 volts on the blue wires on both of the AC units. This feeds my furnaces.

The 12 volts goes through the molex, into the RJ plug, into the AC control board and there it supplies power though the 3 amp as far as I can tell. If the 3 amp fuse is popped, the thermostat is dead. Does not light up.

Taking the thermostat in hand to the rear one and plugging it in directly it did not light up. I found there was no voltage on that 3 amp fuse in AC unit 2 without the RJ cable bringing voltage to it. So there is no voltage getting to the circuitry needed in my rear one. Until the RJ cable feeds it. So in order to operate my rear ac in an emergency I would have to run power to that molex plug to get the thermostat to power up.

Hope this is clear and simple. 

IF your front AC is the first in line, it needs 12 volts. Until you get that voltage there you are spinning your wheels. 

 


Heater Core or AC Evaporator Issues?
cbr046

Radiator cap is 14 psi?  Whatever it is, that's the pressure throughout the system.  If it survived 35 psi it's a good heater core.

If it "leaks" make sure your AC compressor isn't engaged and the evaporator isn't forming condensation.  If the AC compressor is on the low pressure tube (the larger diameter one) will be cold and may be sweating.  Easier to touch the tube at the front vs opening the rear bedroom hatch and looking at the AC clutch.

- bob


Slide goes out crooked
Ivan K

Still don't know what system you have but with my HWH two ram system, both cylinders are t-ed and share the same valves through synchronizing cylinder on one side. No adjustment there, the only time I had it happening was with a leak and then air in the plumbing. Missing fluid would indicate a leak if that was the case. If air, there are bleeding procedures, somewhat messy. Don't know if you might have a mechanical issue effecting only one direction, I have adjustment nuts on ram pistons but they could not explain 6" difference) however air in extend line would be suspect in my case. Holding the button past retract stop might purge it, maybe.


Electric power reel worn out
Warren B

I had a problem with mine a couple of years ago, and if I remember correctly, Southwire bought Shorline. I found the TRC Southwire RH54331RMK was a perfect replacement.  I see several online sellers have them.


Electric power reel worn out
windsorbill06

Here's a used one.

Direct Replacement for Trace Legend 1500?
VinceB

According to the inverter guru at Visone, this is a direct replacement except for the control panel but both units use the same control cable. As far as 2 outputs, he said to just wire the existing 2 circuits to the Xantrex as it is wired to handle the load.

So I bought it because the price was right and the increase in wattage gives me enough power to run the microwave which was just on the edge with the Legend.

As luck would have it, my Legend is working again - loose connection. So now I have a spare.


ISM Performance
Paul J A

Doug

Replace all the intake pleated duct with aluminum tubing and use rubber fittings like truckers have.

Gets rid of air friction . Great simple improvement. 

Buy stuff from Electric power reel worn out
Dave Shackelford

1 hour ago, Rick Rutel said:

Dave, we have an ‘08 Monaco Camelot 42pdq.  This past summer, we had a heck of a time trying to find an electrical fault in which power was not being distributed correctly.  Of all things, it turned out to be the reel.  Inside the reel are electronics that seem to be problematic. In researching the reels and rather often issues with them, we took it out.  The wires from the exterior of the reel are easily spliced.  Yes it is a bit annoying to have to place the power cord back into the coach, but the peace of mind is worth the extra five minutes.  You might find a used replacement at an rv salvage. 
Good luck.

I prefer new.

thanks  Rick

19 minutes ago, Warren B said:

I had a problem with mine a couple of years ago, and if I remember correctly, Southwire bought Shorline. I found the TRC Southwire RH54331RMK was a perfect replacement.  I see several online sellers have them.

This works.

many thanks,

Dave


Grease caps
Spirit5js

So this is a photo of what I am looking for.  Note the cracks.  I want to replace before it fails completely.

Thanks

IMG_0525-1.JPG


Slide goes out crooked
johncvandoren@gmail.com

I believe it too is HWH.  I’ll try bleeding it out at the end of retract next time I’m at the coach in storage.  Thanks.


Thoughts on a 2013 Ford F 150 Platinum Ecoboost
Mike H
3 hours ago, dennis.mcdonaugh said:

That's not an explicit part of the tow setup, but one of the steps probably accomplishes that task.

When the transmission gets shifted into neutral the steering wheel is unlocked.


ISM Exhaust Manifold
Jdw12345

A couple of things to consider, imo, how long are you planing on keep the coach, and if that answer is a number of years, then I would say you should probably remove the entire exhaust manifold and replace all of the exhaust manifold gaskets…… and be done with it.

 Coming from running our own trucking business it’s more cost effective to fix these types of issues once and not have to deal with it again. I haven’t heard about a significant amount of ISM’s with manifold issues like the ISL’s but I’m not an ISM owner so I don’t look for problems with that power plant. Chances are that there’s another gasket issue right around the corner but then again maybe not, you never know, at 24 years old it’s a crap shoot! JMO!



New Downloads


Blue Sea ML-ACR
Blue Sea ML-ACR
Frank McElroy
Blue Sea Magnetic Latching - Automatic Charging Relay (ML-ACR) Application Overview and Installation Instructions.


Please do not reply to this message. You must visit the forum to reply.

This message was sent to you because you opted in for Newsletters at Bill D’s Monacoers.  

To unsubscribe Guest click here:Unsubscribe here

We welcome your comments and suggestions for our newsletter.  Please send comments to newsletter@monacoers.org 

Copyright © 2024 Monacoers, Inc. All Rights Reserved.

×
×
  • Create New...